This topical blog will be devoted to your analysis of the movie Primal Fear.
Watch the movie (rent, netflix, in class on tuesday 2/14). Take notes.
Next, write your comment. Your comment does not need to provide an overview of the movie (we have all seen it). Your comment should be an in-depth analysis of one or more principles about the intersection between law and psychology. You should discuss whether or not the principles you focus on are depicted accurately (or not). You should use scenes and characters to provide examples of textbook/lecture concepts. Finally, you should discuss what was the most interesting aspect of the movie for you.
I was a first time viewer of this movie. I enjoyed it very much. Before I watched it I was told over and over by many people the ending would throw me. This movie was really good and kept me asking questions.
The first thing that I want to discuss that had to do with psychology and law is the scene where Marty and Aaron are in his cell in the very beginning, basically trying to get to know each other. Right when Marty asked Aaron his suit size I thought of how that related to social psychology. I say that because social psychology is how society sees things. For example, if Aaron would have walked into court looking dirty than the jury may have had a bad reaction to him right of the start, but since Marty got him a suit he looked well put together and clean. In class I remember talking about how a good defense attorney would get his client a suit if he wanted to win. I understand how that came into play in this movie. I think this is very accurate to real life situations.
I think that the main psychological occurrence in this movie is that Aaron/Roy was able to play all of the people in the movie. He was able to convince everyone that he wasn’t the killer and that he had multiple personality disorder. Like everyone said I was shocked by the ending of the movie, but yet I loved it because of the fact that he was able to control people with his personality. I think that this does have to do with personality psychology because of the fact that is trait of his did make him unique. This was an instance in the law that psychology failed. If Marty would have been unable to get the point across to Aaron/Roy to change than he would have lost the case and the murderer would have went to jail. I don’t think that this happens often if ever. I would say that they were accurate in the multiple personality disorder and how it would look, but the whole scenario wasn’t accurate to real life.
One thing that was extremely interesting to me about court rooms is that the defendant or prosecutor can say something to the jury, but then the judge says I am taking that off the record. I find that extremely interesting because the thought has still been planted into the juries minds. It still got the effect that was wanted from the defendant or prosecutor. This happened quite frequently to Marty, but yet I was still thinking that the jury heard him and are influenced by what he said so why get rid of it all together. I felt like this related to both the lectures and the text book because of the fact witnesses can be easily lead on. I feel like this is another way that that can happen. I think that this was depicted accurately in the film.
I’d like to start out by saying that this was a very enjoyable film. This was the first time that I had watched Primal Fear (1996) and I didn’t really know what to expect. It was very convenient because it was streaming on Netflix. Another thing that I loved about this movie was the fact that Aaron was played by Ed Norton, who is the same actor in the movie Fight Club. In Fight Club, Norton plays a similar role as a delusional individual. For students interested in Psychology or Law, or both, Primal Fear is a movie that I would definitely recommend. Psychology plays into this film more this film in more than a few ways.
One part of the movie that I believe deserves some attention because of the psychological aspects involved is when attorney Martin Vail is with Aaron in his jail cell and they are discussing how Aaron needs to look during the trial. This is a topic that we discussed recently in class; defendants who look mean usually get prosecuted more. Martin Vail wanted to play on this because his defendant looks so boyish and innocent. There’s even a scene where the prosecutor says to Vail, “Oh, he has the perfect face!” This is because psychologically we unconsciously judge people by the way that they appear. Martin Vail tells Aaron, “Yes, that’s the face right there that I want!” This is because if the jury thinks that he LOOKS innocent, there’s a better chance of him getting a Not Guilty. This happens also at the beginning of the movie when they first meet and Vail asks Aaron what size suit he wears. He asks him this because he wants Aaron to look professional. Unfortunately, in our culture looks are pretty important. You can argue as much as you want, but at the end of the day, the way that someone looks is fairly important. Of course, you wouldn’t want to marry someone for the sole reason that they are attractive, but at the same time, attraction begins with looks.
The most obvious form of psychology relevant to this film is Clinical Psychology. It is clear to everyone that Aaron is suffering from a mental disorder. (Well, not really clear to the prosecution until the end.) Aaron suffers from dissociative identity disorder, or better known as Multiple Personality Disorder. This was probably one of the most interesting parts of the movie for me because of the fact that I have taken Abnormal Psychology and I am now the T.A. for the course. Dissociative Identity Disorder is by far one of the most controversial mental disorders in the DSM IV. The reason for this is that many psychologists believe that it is actually a fake disorder. There are plenty of logical reasons why there are people who don’t believe that this is a real disorder. Let’s take a look at the statistics behind the disorder: After there is a publication of some sort involving Dissociative Identity Disorder, the rates of diagnoses skyrocket. For example, after the movie Sybill came out, the number of Dissociative Identity Disorder cases went from less than 100 to thousands. Another reason that some believe Dissociative Identity Disorder to be fake, is that many believe that therapists can actually create the different identities in the client’s head by being suggestive. If Dissociative Identity disorder were to be fake, the “sufferers” of this fake disorder might actually be suffering from another personality disorder: histrionic personality disorder. This is when one acts very dramatic in order to receive attention.
The end of the movie was very confusing to me at first. For a second, I thought that he may have been faking the disorder the whole time. I believe that Martin Vail thought this too. Right when I thought that he had been faking it, is when the audience realizes that Roy is talking, not Aaron. This could mean a few different things. This could mean that Roy is actually Aaron, and he created Aaron consciously in order to fool the jury; or this could mean that he did in fact have the disorder, but in the last scene he was simply Roy at the time and not Aaron (explaining his rude behavior to Martin Vail). It’s a bit confusing because he would have had to have been Roy at the time because Aaron wouldn’t have known that he attacked the prosecutor.
I retrieved some of the information regarding Dissociative Identity Disorder from the following sites:
http://girlshrink.com/the-controversy-over-dissociative-identity-disorder/
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder?page=3
I had never seen this movie, and I found it very interesting. I had never even heard of this movie, so I was comepletely unsure of what the movie was even about. It was incredible to see all of the aspects that psychology played in the film and be able to link it to class discussions.
An aspect that stands out for me regarding psychology and law is when the psychiatrist was in the room analyzing Aaron/Roy. This was obviously a depiction of clinical psychology in relation to the law.In the process of analyzing Aaron to see the state of his mental health, Aaron turns into Roy. The personalities are completely opposite. Aaron is diagnosed with having multiple personality disorder. Research I have done says that multiple personality disorder is rare, so I cannot be sure how accurately the disease is depicted. I would say that I feel the process of the psychiatrist analyzing Aaron seems to be pretty realistic. She set up a video camera, and began asking about his childhood, his girlfriend, and his life in general. It seemed as though she was attempting to make it be an easy-going process, trying to build rapport to make Aaron comfortable talking to her. I related this to the reading and discussion we had in class about getting information from witnesses.
Another intersection between psychology and law that stood out to me was in the process of the court trial. I felt as though there was a lot of social psychology present in these scenes. Martin and Janet (the two attorneys) were constantly going at each other, trying to bring each other down. There was also pressure put on the jury members who would intake information and then be told that it was being taken off the record. Another aspect of this was the way is how the the witnesses were treated, such as how Aaron became Roy. Roy came out by the way Janet was treating him. I believe that all of these interactions have to do with social psychology and law, and I believe that this link is depicted accurately. The impressions that were put on people from others influenced the decisions that they made. It is amazing how people can influence others, and this film shows that influence well. I also was able to link this to the readings/lecture in how eyewitnesses can influence on another if they discuss what they saw. It can plant an idea in one's mind.
A third intersection between psychology and law was the way the media was handled in the case. Aaron was instantly given the nickname of the Butcher Boy. This became widespread, and no doubt had influence on people's perspectives of Aaron. For example, when Martin has an interaction with a police officer and states that he is Aaron Stampler's lawyer, the police officer instantly replies with oh the butcher boy. I would like this with social psychology again, and say that I do believe it was depicted accurately. The media is just like interactions among people and can also plant ideas in people's minds.
The most interesting part of the movie for me was the end. I was totally confused thinking about all of the possibilities. I thought it was possible that the real Aaron actually had Roy's personality, but was faking the innocent personality. However, I also thought that it was possible that multiple personality disorder was actually present, but that Roy had a lot of the contol and was able to come forth as he pleased. I found the whole film to be very interesting!
I really enjoyed Primal Fear and thought it was an interesting depiction of the inner workings of parts of our criminal justice system. There were many intersections with different forms of psychology which sometimes included depictions that probably weren’t very accurate.
The first things I noticed about this movie that had a major link to psychology were the crime scene and the nature of the murder itself. I think this part, along with many others in the movie, have to do a lot with both criminal psychology and social psychology. Both relate because the state that the victim was left it-- having had his fingers cut off, eyes gouged out, mutilation, and multiple stab wounds-- all indicate that this was probably a very personal crime. In trying to determine motive and intent, it is important to try to look into the mind of the killer to understand what he/she was thinking. This part is more related to the criminal psychology, but everything leading up to the crime would be related to social psychology. Aaron had a fairly complex relationship with the archbishop and obviously felt as though he had been wronged in many ways, thus leading him to commit the murder. All of these interactions between Aaron, Linda, the other altar boys, and the archbishop laid the groundwork for what was to come along later. Since we only saw a little bit of this link to psychology actually brought up during the movie (by the prosecutor), it wasn’t really depicted that well.
Another way social psychology comes into play is both through the trial itself and the media’s depiction of the trial. Throughout the movie, Martin emphasizes various times to Aaron the importance of his behavior in the courtroom. He gets Aaron a suit, tells him not to speak, and works on getting down the right ‘face’ for trial. As we recently talked about in class, this is very important because appearance can have a big effect on the jury, whether or not they consciously realize it. The thoughts and feelings of the jury are constantly being influenced by Aaron’s actions, mannerisms, and expressions. From the very beginning, the media referred to Aaron as the “Butcher Boy.” Undoubtedly, most everyone probably thought that he was guilty. With the gruesomeness of the crime along with the manner in which he was captured and tons of incriminating evidence, many people probably wouldn’t have any doubts that he did. They would likely be willing to publicly condemn him for his actions. All of this media coverage would probably make it difficult to go through jury selection and find people who weren’t significantly influenced by the beliefs they have already come to construct. As talked about in the book and lecture, potential jury members are asked a series of questions to determine whether or not, and if so how much bias they have towards the case. In a situation like this, it could easily take days simply to find a jury who will try to hear the case with an open mind. I think the time frame that it would take for the entire case to come together, along with jury selection and actually setting a time for the trial proceeded way too quickly and was not depicted accurately, however since it is only a movie it makes sense that it had to move quickly to advance the plot.
Clinical psychology is another very big part of this movie. Since before the trial started, Martin sought out a psychiatric evaluation for Aaron, although he didn’t receive it until partway through the trial. From the beginning, I thought that there was something going on with Aaron, whether it was a lack of mental capacity or an actual disorder. I think the depiction of Aaron being taped during the interview with the psychiatrist was quite accurate. I also think that the way she asked her questions to make him comfortable at first and later try to dig into the core of his issues was also fairly accurate. I also thought that the process by which Martin and the psychiatrist came to discover that Aaron has dissociative identity disorder was fairly realistic (if you are one who believes that the disorder exists, that is). I say that this seems well depicted because Roy only came out when Aaron was triggered by anger or was being forced to remember things that he had been attempting to repress. Everything that was going on with Aaron/Roy seemed to make sense when put into the context of DID-- the blackouts, the history of abuse, and the stark changes in personality when becoming Roy. What I found to be very unrealistic about all of this was that in the end, the “Roy” personality was Aaron’s true personality and Aaron’s demeanor was simply made it as a defense. I think it is extremely unlikely that an individual would be able to carry out this intense of scheme without faltering somewhere along the way, and probably fairly early on. Since Aaron’s true self wasn’t discovered until the very end of the movie after a mistrial was declared, I can’t say that it was similar to what might happen in real life. The fact that Aaron was actually acting/faking the DID, however, has likely happened in past.
Overall, I thought this was a very good movie, regardless of the parts that weren't very realistic. It kept me guessing until the end and was a fun, less common depiction of what lengths people may go to in order to get out of punishment.
This was the first time I have ever seen Primal Fear, and it was very interesting. I didn't know what to expect before watching this movie, but it was actually a good movie.
The first scene where I saw an intersection between psychology and law is when Aaron first meets Marty. Marty uses social psychology when he offers to do Aaron's case probono because he can't afford it. I think Marty does this because this was a big case, and he wanted the publicity. I feel this is depicted accurately because attroneys usually jump at the chance to cover big cases. Marty is already a well known defense attroney who is good at his job, so offering to do a probono case wouldn't hurt his career, it would just get his name out there more. Another intersection between psychology and law was when Marty asked Aaron about the size of his suit. This is connected to our class discussion because a jury and judge get their first impression of the defendent based on how they look. He wanted him to wear a suit to be more presentable and personable in court. Also when Marty was in Aaron's cell with him, Marty told Aaron he couldn't speak and to just look innocent. This is why Marty asked him to look into a mirror and try to remember that face he was making because it makes him look innocent, which could eventually help them later in the case. I think this plays both in social and cognitive psychology because Marty wants Aaron to appear innocent to others. It fits cognitively because the people looking at Aaron need to decide if that is his true personality or if it is just for show.
The biggest intersection between psychology and law is when we first really see Roy come out. This shows clinical psychology when the psychologist says Aaron has "textbook multiple personality disorder." The psychologist interviews Aaron for awhile asking him a variety of different questions. She asked him about his life, girlfriend, and relationship with the archbishop. This is protrayed accurately I believe. Then social psychology comes into play when the psychologist testifys in court. She had to answer to the cross examination between the defense and prosecuter. This was an interesting part for me because even though the psychologist could of gave the court valuable information about the defendent she couldn't because the last part of her testimony was to be taken off record when she stated Aaron had a second personality, named Roy. This ties into what we discussed in class about the courts holding the power to decide when and what an expert can testify in court to affect the jurors decision.
The most interesting part of the movie for me was the end. It blows my mind that Aaron actually didn't have multiple personality disorder. He played the entire court and got away with it. This is the exact reason I could never be a defense lawyer because I could never help a guilty person get rid of his or her charges.
This was my first time watching this film, and I thought that it was very good. The ending was definitely a huge surprise but I think it made the film more interesting especially from a psychological standpoint.
There are many ways in which things we have discussed in class fit into this film. The first think I noticed was the procedures followed by criminal investigators when analyzing the crime scene. Although they didn’t show a large portion of this process, I don’t think it was represented correctly. I didn’t get the feeling they were being very careful with the evidence and the investigators rolled the body over before pictures of the crime scene could be taken. Also later in the film I found it surprising that Martin Veil could easily take evidence from the crime scene. I would hope that in real life a crime scene under trial would be better protected and surveyed.
Of course another obvious use of psychology in this movie was the presence of a neural psychologist. Martin did not want the typical psychologist that often testified in court so he chose a neural psychologist who could interview Aaron on numerous occasions. He didn’t want to know necessarily if Aaron was insane, he wanted to know if Aaron was capable of committing this crime. However as we know they were let to believe he really was insane.
This leads me to my final point. When the neural psychologist discovered that Aaron was showing signs of multiple personality disorder they believed that Aaron really didn’t do it, because it was his alter ego Roy that killed the bishop. In class we have talked a little about the use of an insanity plea in a trial. Most people do not get off on an insanity plea and in the movie the neural psychologist even mentioned that proving this in court was unlikely. As we know however, you can prove it in court especially when the defendant shows signs of insanity while under oath. The ending of this story also exemplifies why insanity pleas are hard to prove which is because people can easily fake being insane in order to get off easy.
The most interesting part of this movie was probably the scene where the psychologist was testifying. This demonstrates how skeptical people are when people plea insanity and how lawyers will simply try to demonstrate the incompetence of a psychologist in an effort to disprove their testimony. If I were a juror I personally am not sure what I would believe, I would hope that the psychologist knew what they were talking about. Since I am applying for law school, I also found the whole trial process interesting. This film really emphasized the right of any defendant to have a fair trial. I actually respected Martin for doing his best to provide that for Aaron.
Before watching this movie I had heard how great this movie was so I was anxious to finally watch it. I enjoyed this movie and would definitely recommend it to anyone not only people interested in psychology and law. There were multiple intersections between psychology in law in this movie.
The first I would like to talk about is social psychology, in one of the first scenes when Marty and Aaron meet in his cell. Marty is telling him not to speech in court and tells him to remember the face because it portrays him as innocent. This is an example of social psychology because Marty wants Aaron to look innocent so that the jurors and judge think that he couldn't commit that murder. Marty dressing Aaron up in a suit is another example of wanting to influence others thoughts so they don't relate that crime to Aaron. I think this was an accurate depiction of what happens in real life.
Forensic psychology, analyzing criminal behavior, is important in this movie because by looking at the actual crime scene and how the murder took place it can be suggested that the crime was committed by someone who knew the archbishop. The fact that Aaron was running from the cops from the place the murder took place with his blood all over him also points directly to Aaron was the murderer. Along with the fact that the archbishop made him make those tapes with Linda his girlfriend and the other altar boy established a motive.
The next type of psychology which directly relates to this movie is clinical psychology. Marty brought in a psychiatrist to examine Aaron. Molly, the psychiatrist, talks with Aaron about a variety of topics like his childhood, his girlfriend Linda, and other questions about his life. Throughout the sixty hours of tapes Aaron's other side comes out. He goes from innocent Aaron to Roy who is the complete opposite. Aaron also turns into Roy and attacks Marty saying that he (Roy) killed the archbishop not Aaron. The psychiatrist diagnoses Aaron with multiple personality disorder. I thought that this was an accurate portrayal of how a real psychiatrist would diagnos their client using the video tapes and then analyzing him in a natural way.
Another type of psychology depicted in this movie is developmental psychology. In the interview process with the psychiatrist he reveals that as a child he was abused by his father. This had a lasting impact on Aaron's life.
One thing that I found really interesting in this movie is when the psychiatrist was on the stand she was talking about Aarons multiple personality and the judge said that they were taking that off the record and the jury shouldn't use that in their consideration. I don't know if this really happens in real life. Since the jury already heard what was being said i think it contaminates their opinion making it hard to not have that impact your opinions on whether or not he is guilty.
Another shocking part in this movie was the ending. Aaron ends up not having multiple personality disorder. He reveals everything to Marty after he came in to tell Aaron he will be sent to a hospital instead of prison or death penalty. I thought this was a great twist, but I was confused about how he could be pretending to be crazy the whole time. That would mean he had to have been pretending for a long time since he was really Roy and pretending to be Aaron. Also how he could fool so many people. Overall, I really enjoyed this assignment and this movie.
Psychology played a large role in this movie in many different ways. Three most prevalent ways are through clinical psychology, developmental psychology and criminal psychology.
One prominent scene that psychology intertwined with law was when they interviewed Roy with the video camera. In this particular setting, clinical psychology was heavily used. The psychologist tries to establish Roy’s mental stability and capabilities. Her questions are directed to extract answers in order to determine his abilities. She would ask questions about his history and life—specifically his girlfriend. Questions about his girlfriend triggered his other personality and gathered a response from him. Later on, Martin was brought into the picture. Martin used tactics to instigate Roy’s “second personality.” He was attempting to make Roy angry enough to tell the truth; however, he was in for a surprise to find that Roy had a second personality. This psychological discovery is an important step to take in a case. A person’s well-being is greatly influenced by a decision if they are insane or not. If one is insane, they need the help that a facility can provide for them whereas a prison sentence would hinder one’s well-being. His sentence is also at stake in this situation. If he really does have multiple personality disorder, his legal charges of life in person, or the death sentence, could become a placement in an institution for the insane. I don’t think the movie depicted the importance and prevalence of his multiple personality disorder as much as it should have. It is discussed in a few scene, but I feel like it is of much greater importance that shown in the movie. We also didn’t view different states in order for us to establish a good decision about his diagnosis.
Developmental psychology is also prevalent in this movie. Many instances they discussed Roy’s childhood and the abuse he suffered. Because he suffered from abuse when he was younger, the attorneys were able to use that factor in their cases. It became a reason and a sign that he really committed the murder. Many research studies have shown that childhood trauma can lead to people’s actions in the future. In turn, psychologists are able to establish that he has a multiple personality disorder because that is one of the signs that lead to deviance as an adult.
Another way psychology played into this movie was through criminal psychology. At the beginning of the movie, they dissected the crime scene and try to establish a person that would commit such a heinous crime. They work to find out the criminal’s motive and mental stability due to the carvings and slaying of the body. The prosecution evidence presented to them to determine that Roy did it such as the bloody shoe prints and Roy fleeing from the scene. However, Martin tried to decipher the thoughts, and possible will power it would take for someone to committee that crime and applying that to determine if Roy could have committee it.
The thing I found most interesting was the breakdown of the case and determining if Roy could have committed the crime. I was very intrigued at learning the connections that pulled together the case. It was interesting to see them establish that Roy had a personality disorder. At first, we didn’t see it, and then slowly “Roy” starts to evolve. Gradually, they pick up clues that they use to link him to the personality disorder, when in reality, they don’t relate at all. For instance, Roy’s childhood was a large issue. They used it to say that because he experienced that as a child, it reinforces that he has a personality disorder. It was very interesting to hear both sides in the court room.
This was my first time watching Primal Fear and it is easily the best movie I've had to watch for school.
One of the intersections of psychology and law that I spotted in this film is when Aaron is being examined by the psychiatrist. This is a clear example of clinical psychology. Martin wanted to see if Aaron was capable of committing the murder so he had the psychiatrist try to evaluate him. It's hard to say how accurately it was depicted. The psychiatrist would have had to done more tests to prove that Aaron had multiple personality disorder. He appeared to show that he had multiple personalty's but if more tests would have been done by the psychiatrist it could have been revealed that Aaron was faking having multiple personality s. As we've talked about in class it is very hard to use the insanity plea successfully so it made me wonder how many people who aren't insane have got off the hook with the insanity plea.
Forensic Psychology plays a role in this film.
At the scene of the crime where the priest was murdered one of the CSI guys was recording everything he said when he was describing the body. From what I've heard in class every single detail is important and recording it right away is crucial. It seemed like they were dong a pretty good job of not contaminating any evidence.
Before the trial Martin went to the jail where Aaron was being held. When they were talking Martin was informing Aaron of some aspects of perception and social psychology. Martin tells Aaron to make his innocent face in the court room. How the jurors view what the defendant looks like can have an influence on their verdict. Even in the court room to try to counter Aaron's innocent appearance the prosecuting attorney Janet told the jury to not be fooled by the defendants innocent demeanor. I believe that is something a prosecuting attorney would say in real life.
The most interesting aspect of the movie was when Aaron starting acting like Roy. It was crazy when Aaron first starting acting like Roy because I didn't really expect it. Aaron seemed so innocent and then when Roy came out it was assumed that Roy was a bad personality that only came out when Aaron was extremely upset. Then of course the very ending blew my mind. I couldn't believe that Roy was the real personality. I also think Edward Norton (the guy who played Aaron) did an awesome job.
After watching the movie Primal Fear I think one of the most important points in the movie was also the best intersection of psychology and law. The point of the movie that Im talking about is the trial. After the have caught Aaron, seen the tape, and the psychologist and Richard Gere have seen Roy. After this point in the movie Richard Gere's character realizes that he cant change his plea, but he can make the jury change there view of the case. This is because he wants the jury to have doubt in their mind that Aaron did this horrific crime. Thats why Gere's character puts the psychologist on the stand before he puts Aaron on the stand. This has extreme points of psychology in this scene. Gere is making sympathy for the defendent, and he is doing this with forms of abnormal psychology. This scene also has the social psychology perspective as well because he puts all of these witnesses on the stand in a certain way so that this might influence the jury on their opinion of the defendent. If Gere's character did this he would have to know how each person would react to seeing and hearing what they were about to see. He would have to know this to get the jury on his side. I have not seen a real court hearing before, and Im always surprized on how the court system is a lot different from how they portray it in movies or television shows. So I would say that it probly wasnt portrain accurately. I say this because the trail was so quick and things that I have learned in class on procedures on crime scene to background checks on people they would have need more time. The point in the movie that was the most interesting for me was the scene after Roy comes out in the court room and Gere's character has won the case, and he going to go talk with Aaron. He find out that is way all an act. That there is no Aaron, he killed Linda, and that he knowingly killed the Arch Bishop. This is my favorite part of the movie because Gere's character says in the movie that he does it, being a criminal attorney, because he believe that everybody is innocent until proven guilty. So then in this scene he knows he just let a guilty man walk free. Gere's character finally realizes that some people are guilty, and he just let a murder go free. This was a powerful scene in my opinion.
Next, write your comment. Your comment does not need to provide an overview of the movie (we have all seen it). Your comment should be an in-depth analysis of one or more principles about the intersection between law and psychology. You should discuss whether or not the principles you focus on are depicted accurately (or not). You should use scenes and characters to provide examples of textbook/lecture concepts. Finally, you should discuss what was the most interesting aspect of the movie for you.
There are many elements of psychology that intersect with the law in Primal Fear. One of the first is the relationship between attorney and client that we see happening throughout this film. From the first time Aaron and Martin meet in the jail cell, trust must be established in order for them to win the case. Disregarding any concerns about whether or not he actually committed the crime, a client must be able to trust his attorney. As we see multiple times, Aaron hid things from Martin, such as the sex tape, making Martin believe his client did not trust him. Clinical psychology can be seen in this aspect because it is similar to a relationship you would have with a therapist. To really put their expertise to good use, you need to trust them. We also see this with the psychiatrist that interviews Aaron and first sheds light on the fact that there is more to Aaron than we may have first thought. Aaron has problems telling her as well certain things that are important.
We see personality psychology when Aaron starts to reveal "Roy". This is when we realize the details of the crime and who killed the Archbishop. Aaron shows us his other personality that made this crime possible. From the first glimpse we get when he is talking to the psychologist, to the full-blown rage he goes into with Marvin, Aaron's different personalities that make him an entirely different person throw this case into a whole new perspective and make the psychiatrist and Marvin wonder how they should move forward from here on out considering the circumstances.
We also see a bit of forensic psychology in this film. We see the crime scene and everything going on in it. From the CSI, to the police, the attorneys, the judge, and even the bailiff, all of these are things that we are going to learn about and try out for ourselves soon. Seeing it on the screen and imagining how it will play out for us was pretty exciting to think about.
For the most part I thought the aspects that pertain to psychology were pretty accurate. However, there were certain things such as when Marvin takes the tape that were not. I also thought the defense and prosecution talked a lot more outside and before the case than I thought, although they clearly had a history I didn't think they would be in contact like they were.
The twist we discover once Aaron reveals Roy to us was pretty incredible. I had a feeling something had to be going on, either with Alex and Linda or that maybe Aaron was pushing what really happened out of memory so he wouldn't have to face it. The twist was definitely something I expected, but it was still incredible to watch it play out. This definitely made it a must-watch movie. Personally, I love movies that do this.
Primal Fear is a truley interesting take on a case that involves a lot of psychological aspects. The defendant, Edward Norton, is caught in a legal battle for his life as the defense struggles to unveil the psychological disorder that troubles the defendant. The defense attorney, Richard Gere, has a primary role in interpreting the legal implications that result from the defendant's unusual condition. Two of the aspects in this movie that really highlight the relationship between law and psychology I would like to focus on include the psychological evaluation performed on the defendant, and how the testimony and cross examination in the final days of the hearing involved psychology.
It becomes fairly clear after Aaron was detained that something didn't fit in this case where such a gruesome murder occurred. On the surface Aaron appears to be a harmless, slightly abused youth. His inherent studder shines some light on the possibility that he might be struggling with some issues. However, these issues are not completely revealed until the psychological expert comes in to do an evaluation. After discussing Aaron's girlfriend Linda, Aaron becomes violent and hostile toward the psychologist. This new behavior is also accompanied by an alternate personality. This and a scary moment with his attorney prove to both the psychologist and the defense that they're dealing with an individual who suffers from multiple personality disorder.
The psychological evaluation was key in this case for a couple reasons. First off, the defense used the fact that the defendant needed a psychological evaluation before releasing a plea. This was important because it prevented Aaron from possibly incriminating himself at the beginning at the trial. Additionally, the evaluation also led to the discovery of Aaron's psychological condition. This discovery is imperative to linking the defendant's mental state to the case. The evaluation also reveals some inherent issues that Aaron has dealt with such as physical abuse suffered at the hands of his father, and sexual abuse that is discovered in the video tape evidence. Psychological evaluation is crucial in cases such as this, and evidence discovered through evaluations can be important to the main components of a case.
The courtroom proceedings were another area in which the movie demonstrated the relationship between psychology and law. The two main instances include the testimony given by the psychologist and the cross examination of Aaron/Roy. The expert testimony was not even technically supposed to be a main component of the case, which is partially the reason the judge strikes the testimony from the case. However, the expert testimony introduces the fact that Aaron suffers from multiple personality disorder. Furthermore, because of this disorder it would have been possible for Aaron to commit the crime and have no recollection or awareness of the entire event. Dr. Maclin serves as an expert witness very often, and I believe the deposition given in the movie is fairly accurate to the format of real life trial procedure.
The other scene that I want to shed some focus on is the cross examination of Aaron. In the cross examination Marty is trying to stimulate Aaron's multiple personality disorder because the court can not consider insane due to the initial trial proceedings. If Marty can force Aaron to bring out his alternative identity then the defense has a chance at halting the trial. The only way Marty can legally do this is through a line of questioning, so he begins to ask Aaron questions of significant discomfort. Once Marty works Aaron up enough to the breaking point he turns over the witness to the prosecuting counsel. Her line of questioning is enough to trigger Aaron's violent alternate ego Roy. This successful strategy shows how severe Aaron's case of multiple personality disorder truly is.
The most interesting aspect of the movie to me was Marty's philosophy on his job as a criminal defense attorney. This philosophy is revealed throughout the course of the movie when he is being interviewed by a journalist. His attitude towards his career is almost cavalier, as if the challenge is what excites him. This is demonstrated in scenes where he says some pretty profound things. One quote that I really liked was "Why umpire when you can play ball?". In this instance Marty is explaining why he left the prosecutors office so he could stay in litigation and avoid becoming a judge. Another statement Marty reveals about his true obsession with his job is mentioned while he is describing why he does what he does. This statement is "I don't gamble with money in Vegas because I can gamble with people's lives everyday," or something of that nature. This movie was an interesting look into unique circumstances where psychology and law intertwine in the courtroom process.
I really enjoyed watching Primal Fear and would definitely watch it again. I was very shocked by the ending, but as soon as Aaron told Martin to tell the woman he was sorry, I knew exactly what was happening. There are many aspects of psychology and law that are present in this movie.
Right away in the beginning of the movie when Aaron is caught fleeing from the crime scene and found curled in a ball under the track, you have a hint that something is not quite right with him. It just seemed odd the way the police found him. Then, when Martin is in the cell with him and Aaron is explaining that he did not do it, something seemed off. It seemed that he just had a stutter at first, but the way he was acting suggested something else. One of the aspects of psychology presented is clinical psychology. The neurologist is shown interviewing Aaron. She spent 60 hours with him and she discovered that he had "textbook multiple personality disorder." This in a way is related to the insanity defense. Rarely, do people get away with using the insanity defense. This is related because the neurologist even said that it is going to be very difficult to prove in court that he had multiple personality disorder.
Another aspect of psychology that is shown in the movie and that ties in with clinical psychology is personality psychology. I thought that this was most prevalent is the scenes when Martin is talking to Aaron in the interview room when Roy comes out, and also in the court room when the prosecuting attorney is pushing Aaron, again where Roy comes out. I took a personality psychology course and I remember talking about multiple personality disorder. There was a big difference between the personalities of Aaron and Roy and it seemed like there was no way it was the same person. Even though we find out at the end of the movie that there really was no Aaron, he was very convincing when he said that he blacks out and "lost time."
I found it interesting that Martin immediately knew that he wanted to defend Aaron, even before meeting him. As soon as he saw the news about the crime and about Aaron, he was right on it. Another thing that really stuck out to me was in the beginning of the movie. I don't exactly remember what the conversation was about, but Martin was describing something about the lawyers and the trial process. He used the phrase "the illusion of truth." I think this does apply to the area of psychology and law because attorneys' jobs are to get inside the mind of the jury to convince them one way or the other. They sometimes stretch the truth and make it an illusion in order to present their case better. One thing that shocked me and was not portrayed accurately was when Martin went into the crime scene and took the videotape. You would think that everything in that room would be considered evidence and that investigators would look closely at the things inside the room, but he was able to get in there and take the tape without anyone noticing. One thing that confused me was that Aaron was not allowed to be tested by a psychologist for any mental illness prior to the trial: the judge didn't allow it. But, once they found out that Aaron had multiple personality disorder, they weren't able to change their plea and enter that. It doesn't make much sense to me that he was not allowed to be tested beforehand.
I was a first time viewer of Primal Fear and overall, I really enjoyed the movie. It kept me on the edge of my seat. Throughout the whole movie I was trying to figure out the truth about the crime. I was shocked at the ending, but after thinking through it, it made a lot of sense. I didn't really like the fact that Aaron was the made-up personality because, like his effect on Marty, he had sort of grown on me.
There were many references to psychology in this movie. The most evident one, in my opinion, was the fact that Aaron supposedly had schizophrenia. He would black out and "lose time" whenever the psychiatrist or Marty frustrated him or made him angry. This, in itself, brings forth many forms of psychology from clinical psychology, with the psychiatrist analyzing him, to social psychology, with how the way "Roy" chose to interact with his attorney. It also dips into forensic psychology in a sense that because Aaron had a mental disorder, they could have tried him as insane. It's pretty scary to think that a psycho like Roy could have so easily tricked all of the people involved with his case and been back out in society in a couple months.
Another reference was when Marty was telling Aaron how to act in front of the judge and jury. He was trying to alter their impressions of the defendant by making him look and appear more innocent. He also wanted him to have a suit to appear cleaner. The perception that the jury has of client can play a huge role in how they rule. Marty also didn't want Aaron to answer any questions until examined by a professional. This was probably because he didn't want him hurting his chance of winning the case by saying something that could resonate with the jury.
Psychology is definitely present in the reiteration of a certain question throughout the film. How can defense attorneys do what they do? Marty explains this to a magazine journalist at the beginning of the movie, but his answer shifts a little as the case continues. Once he realizes that Aaron could have actually done it, he has trouble dealing with it. This could also just be him fearing that he could lose the case.
Social psychology is evident during the actual trial. Both the prosecutor and defense try to manipulate witnesses and trick the jury into thinking a specific thing.
I thought this movie was very interesting. I was slightly confused in the beginning about what was all going on but then it all seemed to start fitting together and had an amazing twist at the end.
So much of this movie stood out as relevant to me and all seems to fit with the class.
A scene I really noticed was the crime. You had the Postal delivery guy, who heard what happened and saw the glass brake, then you had CSI coming in and marking off the scene with tons of spectators around, there was media all over, then you have the detectives who make their way into the house. Although the delivery guy was there while the crime took place he never actually saw the murder committed and after the crime was committed we never saw the delivery guy again, but I think in real life he would have been questioned and his statements would be evidence in court. The CSI looked like they were doing their best to keep the onlookers out of the area and keep the media away as well. The detectives look at the crime scene, took tons of pictures that are referenced later in the movie, and bagged and tagged evidence (i.e. the knife,) and tried to pin motive on the suspect. I was shocked when they showed the bloody shoes in the court room that they were not in a bag. I assumed all evidence would remain in proper containers as to not get it contaminated by outside things and throw the case.
The suspect, Aaron, has so much to do with Psych and Law it’s not even funny. First off, he is the one that is caught running from the crime scene but claiming he didn’t do it. Well you think you yourself, if he didn’t do it then why is he running?? I think it’s possible for someone to be innocent and run from the cops for many reasons. Once is fear of what is going to happen? What if they don’t believe what I am telling them? What if I get thrown in jail, or worse the death sentence? What if the murderer comes for me since I was there? Almost any thought can go through your head and scare a person enough to just do what we’ve know how to do since the beginning of our existence and that’s to run to get away. Next he seemed like such an innocent guy. He had a stutter and talked like he respected the bishop so much that he would never do something to hurt him and that he was just a sweet southern guy. His innocent nature got to Martin and he felt that the kid really didn’t do it even thought everyone else was calling him guilty. He trying his best to just make sure this kid didn’t die for someone else’s mistake. By getting to the heart of his attorney Aaron had gotten someone, the best, to work hard to get him off with a lesser sentence or nothing at all. He broke the law to prove him innocent by stealing the tape. He tried to manipulate the case in every little way to try and gain a reasonable doubt that the kid didn’t do it. Aaron soon figured out that him saying there was someone else there and seeming so innocent didn’t seem to be enough to get him off his sentence so he introduced split personality to have another alibi. He took on the personality of someone with that disorder and played it so well that a psychologist claimed he had the disorder. It gave him an explanation as to why he didn’t remember anything from the murder and it also gave him a way out. Someone who is bipolar cant be trialed for murder because they, in their other states, don’t know the difference between right and wrong as well, they cant be held accountable for something they cant control. Also if he was bipolar it really wasn’t Aaron who committed the crime it was his other side. But, then Aaron ran into an issue. His initial plea couldn’t be changed and they couldn’t really discuss his bipolar without getting in trouble with the judge. When Aaron ran into this problem he figured since they couldn’t talk about it he would just become Roy and shock the whole jury. After the jury would see something like that there is no way they could sentence him to the death penalty. He did it and It worked. He got away with murder with a 30 day sentence in a mental institution. Then I thought it was the end of the movie, but it had the final twist. Roy wanted to make sure his attorney knew the real truth, and he subtly hinted to him he didn’t have a split personality and it was an act all along.
That part really got me thinking and was the most interesting to me. Is that possible in real life? Do people really do that and get away with it? As hard and as worrying as it may seem to believe, I think its possible and I think it happens more often than we know it. How is it that people can play with our minds so well that we believe they are who they say they are and that gets them away with a serious crime like murder. Its something we all do. When we do things wrong and don’t want to admit it we play the innocence card. Maybe not to the extreme of pretending we have a disorder for example when someone cheats on their partner they never admit to it. They say things like I would never do that, or I love you to much to do that, or you’re the only one for me. People don’t realize how easy it can be to get someone to feel bad for you and fall into a belief that isn’t true.
I thought overall this was an interesting movie. The movie had several issues regarding accuracy in law depicted in the movie. From the beginning, the police only had one suspect and never seemed to look for any other. Their motive for arresting Aaron, was based on blood found on Aaron's clothing.
The movie explores elements on the insanity plea. I was unaware that the insanity plea had to be brought out in the beginning of the trial. The defense attorney and the psychiatrist discussed how hard it was to get an insanity plea.
The movie also showcases dissociative identity disorder more commonly known as multiple personality disorder. The defendant had a history of a traumatic childhood, his father abused him and his mother died when he was young. He described how he had blackout periods from a young age. The film showed Aaron's transition into Roy occurring after her was put into extreme stress. It was interesting how the personalities were different in terms of speech. Aaron had a very obvious stutter, and avoided eye contact, and Roy was much more confident and aggressive in his speech and looked everyone in the eye.
The trial seem fairly accurate, other than the obvious relationship of the prosecution and defense attorney. The court had all key members and they stuck to their expected roles. I thought it was odd that during direct examinations closed questions were asked. I hadn't thought about it before but appearance of the defendant is very important. The defense attorney looks out for his client by providing a suit and practicing the facial expression he would present in court.
The most interesting part of the movie was the twist at the end regarding Aaron faking multiple personalities. He had me and everyone in the movie convinced. I think in real life with the amount of psychiatrists involved, that this would be very difficult, if not impossible to do. The insanity plea is very hard to prove in real life cases, so is very rarely used.
I found this movie very fascinating, and overall very entertaining. I think that Edward Norton did a very good job portraying his character. I couldn't figure him out, even in the very end. My favorite theme was the debate between Norton's character just malingering or actually having multiple personality disorder. In clinical psychology, Dr. Seth Brown discussed the issue of malingering, and talked about how it can sometimes be very difficult to tell whether or not a person (especially on trial) really has a mental disorder. I was amazed by Norton's performance to the very end...although it's not uncommon for his characters to have a changing personality (like in American History X, or in Fight Club).
I did not think that the movie was very realistic though. Some of the things that happened in the courtroom would never fly in real life...and I doubt that any lawyers go chasing after witnesses to interrogate, and fight them even when they're holding a knife. I also didn't think that it was realistic that the prosecutor was constantly lighting up cigarettes in government buildings...although that was 16 years ago, so maybe it was still legal.
Overall, it was good to experience this movie, because it did follow the criminal justice system, and incorporated a lot of psychology; I could see many things that we discussed in class, such as lawyers advocating for people (as opposed to just trying to find the truth), and unqualified people trying to play the role of psychologist.
I had never seen this movie before, and I really liked it. For one thing, Richard Gere is super sexy. And for another, it is just an overall really good movie. The first ten minutes or so were a little boring, but as soon as the major crime happens, it definitely sucks you in until the very end. Speaking of which, WOW! To be honest, I actually kind of called it (go me) but it was still shocking to watch my hypothesis be confirmed.
So, as I was just talking about, the first thing that comes to mind is the ending. The most obvious choice to pick to write about is where Multiple Personality Disorder comes into play. With the end of the trial wrapping up how it did, it made me think of multiple classes I am taking or have taken in psychology. First and foremost, last semester I took Abnormal Psychology and this semester I am taking Clinical Psychology. In Abnormal, we learned about multiple personality disorder (actually it is called Dissociative Identity Disorder, but the public confuses it with multiple personality disorder). What I think is very important to bring up here is that many psychologists believe the person is malingering, and that there really is no such disorder. Which brings me to the next class that this makes me think of: Behavior Modification. Aaron/Roy emitted this disorder so perfectly that he had everyone eating out of the palm of his hand. He manipulated everyone to buy in that he had this complex, severe mental disorder. Which also brings up the point of clinical psychology (or in this case a neuropsychologist), and how hard of job they must have weather to commit someone as insane.
I wanted to pick a “not so obvious” part of the movie to discuss for the second scene and relating it to psychology, just because I picked a very common one for my first paragraph. Since one of my favorite “ah ha” moments was from the beginning of the movie, I rewatched that part to pick a scene that relates to psychology. My first thought then was the initial recording of the crime scene. This is very important to Forensic Psychology, something I wish I knew more about. I also think it is interesting to see what the detectives and CSI regard as “important” and things they can “disregard”. I think making those distinctions would be lots of fun, but also lots of pressure. What if they overlooked something that ends up being crucial to a conviction? Unfortunately, I’m sure that happens occasionally in the real world.
One thing that stuck out most to me, though was very little in the entire scheme of the movie was how Marty called his secretary as soon as he saw the crime being televised through the media and how we wanted to be this suspect’s lawyer. As MacLin told us at the beginning of the year, this movie will change how you view defense attorneys, and she was absolutely right. At first it was a very weird concept to me that a defense attorney would WANT someone who looked so guilty like Aaron did. However, after watching this movie, it makes a bit more sense to me. Being a defense attorney is Marty’s job, his career. He better want to have the biggest and baddest case, otherwise he wouldn’t be a very good lawyer.
I may or may not have seen this movie when I was little, however, this is definitely fresh to my mind, now.
First off, I would like to say that this movie was awesome. One key aspect was the instability of the suspect and the persistance of his Marty, his lawyer. Even as it semed as though all the evidence pointed in Aaron's direction, Marty kept fighting for his defense. I think this portrayed the way a defense attorney should take all his cases in which he himself is uncertain. Aaron's mental instabilty became clear as his case carried on, showing ever so subtley. I never knew that, once you start a plea, you cannot change your plea in the middle of a case. However, Roy's showing during the court proceedings proved it did not need to be changed, for he changed enough. I think the justice system was carried out wonderfully, except in the deception department. Only instead of the decpetion by attorneys we so often see on television, the attorneys, judge, and entire court was deceived by the suspect. This movie truly showed how much opposing attorneys, as well as the judge, actually work together on cases. The bargainning, the communication, and the arguments seem to occur all too often. I'm not sure if this is the case in real life but it seems to help each side out tremendously.
The only part that I think was not given much thought to was how quickly they jumped to diagnosising Aaron with Multiple Personality Disorder, and I would hope to believe this would actually take more time to come true. Either way, it as accurately portaryed such an event as well as a Hollywood movie can...
I remember seeing this movie when I was considerably younger, I didn't remember what it was really about but I'm glad I got the Chance to watch it again. Specifically because I am a Criminology major and I am very interested in law and how its "interpreted" in trial court.
One aspect of the movie that that I think relates to psychology is when Marty has one of his aids drop of the sex tape of Aaron of at The Prosecutors house. I think he does this not only because he can't get the evidence into the court room at this point but he also knows that the prosecutor needs something she can use for a motive and up until this point in the movie she didn't have one. He know that she would admit this evidence in court and everyone would get to see it, creating a feeling of sympathy from the jury. This happens because now its not just a senseless, brutal, murder, it was the primary result of something that had happened before the movie started.
another aspect I thought related to psychology is how Marty got Aarons' other personality "Roy" to come out in the court room. He knew that Roy only came out when Aaron felt scared and corned. He used this to his advantage in the court room and the prosecutor was the bait that got Roy to come out in front of everyone. Thus creating a mistrial and ultimately accomplishing what he set out to do in the court room in the first place, win.
The ending was especially interesting to me, and probably to everyone else who has never seen the movie before. Roy, Aarons second personality was out in the jail cell after the mistrial pretty much saying that the played the game so perfect and that there was really only one personality the one of Roy. I think this can be misleading to others in seeming like Marty just helped a brutal murderer get a chance to walk the streets again. But the fact is Aarons real, legal name is Aaron not Roy. It seems like Roy is Slowly taking full control of Aarons behaviors and attitude.
Your comment should be an in-depth analysis of one or more principles about the intersection between law and psychology. You should discuss whether or not the principles you focus on are depicted accurately (or not). You should use scenes and characters to provide examples of textbook/lecture concepts. Finally, you should discuss what was the most interesting aspect of the movie for you.
Primal Fear was a very interesting movie. The entire movie seemed to be built around exactly what we are learning in class. You get to observe the first responders to the crime roping off the scene to keep out bystanders and the media; however, because the suspect (Aaron) is found running from the police covered in blood the media are on top of it and showing the entire public the chase. This makes it hard to select jury members because I thought they were not supposed to have been informed of the crime via media so that they are not biased in the judgements and decisions. There are no eyewitnesses other than Aaron. Eyewitness evidence is trace and is supposed to be powerful and persuasive but because he is the main suspect with hard evidence against him, his eyewitness testimony is almost not even considered. His memory is also flawed because he "loses time" to his black outs where he transforms into Roy, his alternate persona that takes over when Aaron cannot handle what he is going through. This makes recall memory difficult when he is questioned. Recall memory is remembering in the absence of the item being remembered. He has to use recall memory because they did not present him with any pictures of the scene. If they had shown him pictures he would have been able to use recognition memory, where one recognizes the material upon it being presented. We discover Aaron's condition when he is going through his psychological evaluation. The woman who does this discovers Roy and tries to warn his attorney who ultimately finds out for himself when Roy attacks him in the interrogation room. We get to view the prosecution attorney trying to make her expert witness testimony null and void by pointing out to the jury that that is not her area of expertise. The trial goes back and forth and it looks like he is going to be found guilty until Aaron is on the witness' stand and becomes Roy. The jury then finds him insane and he is let go with the ruling of him being sent to a mental hospital. The ending leaves it very open and one is left to decide if he truly has multiple personality disorder or not. I think this was the most interesting part of the movie to me because it is easy to believe either option. He could just be a really smart criminal who played this out but I believe he truly had MPD.
For this assignment we watched Primal Fear, I had never seen the movie before but thought that it was very interesting. It had several connections with psychology and law.
The first major connection I saw was social psychology. Throughout the whole movie I noticed there were several depictions of social psychology. It all started in the beginning with Martin when he was talking to the suspect of the murder of the arch bishop Aaron. It took social psychology to relate with Aaron to determine what happened the day of the murder and what happened exactly during the murder. Martin asked many questions to try to determine what exactly happened. While talking with Aaron he found that there may be something wrong with him. This is when he wanted to get him evaluated by a psychiatrist. Also there was a lot of social psychology between Marty and the prosecution in the case. Martin especially tried to talked and come to an agreement with the prosecution but they were not willing to and wanted to go to trial. Martin tried to sweet talk at time to get evidence and so on.
Another aspect of psychology I noticed was clinical psychology. As I kind of alluded to before while Martin was talking to Aaron he noticed something was wrong and wanted to get him evaluated by a psychiatrist. During the evaluation the doctor diagnosed Aaron with a multiple personality disorder. Furthermore she found him to be a little insane as doing the evaluation Aaron would turn into Roy. Roy was the aggressive side of Aaron who was thought to have killed the bishop. This was a huge part and major focus of the movie.
Overall I felt that the depictions of the aspects of psychology were a bit inaccurate. It seemed as if there were a lot of things left and they made it seem as the whole process goes fast when in fact it really doesn’t. I felt as if a lot of the social interactions were a bit of base as I doubt a lot of defense attorneys and prosecutors or out to a bar and talk about the case.
The most interesting part of the movie to me was learning what a multiple personality disorder was. I have heard of this disorder before but never really knew what it was. This movie seemed to depict it well and visually showed me what it is like. This really helped me to understand what this disorder is all about.
The point I would like to discuss between the intersection of psychology and law would be between the expert psychologist and her testimony in the movie. Now to go into further detail about the area in the movie was when she was interviewing Andy/Roy. She sat there trying to get inside his head to understand exactly what the root of the problem was. After further investigation she thought she was able to understand whey Andy was having these blackouts. She went on to say that it was because it was multiple personality disorder. Now the key part about that diagnosis was that it was not her area of expertise so it didn’t hold any power in court. But anyway the defense attorney and his team decided to continue by sing her as an expert witness. Now when she was being questioned it was brought up in that she was not very educated in this diagnosis. I find that this would be very accurate in today’s court room. The reason why she is called an expert is because she is supposed to be an expert. I feel that the prosecutor would have acted the same exact way. Now to go into more detail about this situation was that he was actually diagnosed wrong by this psychologist.
I thought the most interesting aspect of the movie is how they portrayed the state attorney and all of the higher up leaders of the city. They showed those people of having so much political power. I thought it was intriguing on how they told her to destroy evidence even though it was illegal because it would overall hurt their money scheme that was set in place with the bishop. It got me thinking of if there was a very important case in a very large city, if a high political leader would be able to have that much say in how or in what ways the attorneys should go about the case. I am sure that in some cases in the past there has been those instances. But I would like to think that our country’s judicial system is set up in a more balance matter than what was shown in this movie.
I very much enjoyed the movie, although I had seen it a few times before. Almost immediately, I noticed something I have always known to be true. Lawyers are like chameleons. A good lawyer can change his attitude or demeanor to better relate to that of whom he is attempting to coerce. Marty is an excellent example of such. He begins the movie meeting up with a Cuban while assuming a rather bold and aggressive demeanor. He is able to get what he wants out of this client this way. He uses this approach when initially discussing the murder with Aaron, demanding that Aaron stop discussing his case. He goes as far as to declare himself as Aaron's "mother, father, best friend, and priest." When discussing Aaron's case with his colleagues, Marty comes across as cold and heartless, caring more about winning his case than the merit of the outcome. Social psychology rears it's head early on when Marty insists that attorney not use the words like "heinous" in a courtroom because the average Joe won't know what the word means. Something as simple as language can influence how others think. Attorneys would like to use clear, direct language so they know everyone on the jury will understand.
We also see an example of forensic psychology when the prosecution displays bloody sneakers worn by Aaron the night of the murder. The shoes had been analyzed and show the blood of both Stampler and the Bishop. The positive id on the analysis should convince the jury to render a guilty verdict, or at the very least re-think a verdict of not guilty. The presence of blood indicates that Aaron was at the scene of the crime.
We continue to see social psychology at work as the attorneys battle it out in the courtroom. The lawyers must be able to relate to the jurors in order to better persuade them. Marty knows how Aaron must sound and look in front of the jury in order to render a positive verdict. In his second meeting with Aaron, Marty instructs Aaron how to do this. "I speak, you do not speak." "That's exactly how I want you to look!" "Don't smile." These are just a few examples I heard during the second meeting. First impressions are extremely important, so it is vital that Marty correctly instruct Aaron how to act in front of a jury of his peers. After all, they ultimately will be deciding Aaron's fate. Also, pleading the 5th on all questions in Stampler's first court appearance was clever in that it was meant to deceive the jury into thinking Aaron Stampler was not mentally capable of standing trial, let alone being declared guilty of murder in the first. This was an excellent example of clinical psychology in that we ask ourselves whether Aaron is mentally competent to stand trial. Aaron Stampler is a cold, calculated killer who is an expert in deceiving others. I was amazed at Aaron's ability to come across as innocent. He speaks softly, stutters, and acts as though he has no idea what anyone is talking about. Then, right when he has everyone reeled in, he realizes it and quickly changes his demeanor. The changes in attitude seem too abrupt to me to be considered genuine. I suppose the sexual abuse has caused Aaron to seek an alternate identity (Roy) to better cope (at least this is what I believe Aaron wants to convey). As a result, the jury will be led to think that the alter-ego Aaron has created has committed the crime. The psychologist who spent over 60 hours with Aaron reiterates this point, stating that Aaron suffers from multiple personality disorder stemming from sexual abuse. This is yet another fine example of clinical psychology in the courtroom. I believe that the most difficult task in any court proceeding where the defendant claims insanity is proving just that. There is simply too much room for imagination and deception in determining one's sanity (my opinion). I saw elements of social psychology in the dinner meeting between Gere and Linney. Linney is describing to Gere how the jury will think differently depending on who shows the tape. If Gere shows it, it dishonors the Bishop's memory in the jury's eyes. However, if Linney shows it, Gere gains sympathy for his "poor, abused boy."
After watching this movie, I can liken attorneys to chess players. There are more (psychological) elements at work in a courtroom than I had ever realized. There truly is strategy to EVERYTHING an attorney does or says in a courtroom. In this movie, not only did we see a game of chess between opposing sides, but also one from within as Gere sought truth from Norton from the beginning. Norton would continue to lie to and deceive his own lawyer to the very end. This was very surprising to me. You would think that a defendant would want to upfront with his/her attorney in order to secure a better defense strategy. All in all a great movie about the inner workings of our justice system and the many psychological elements tangled within.
I don’t recall ever hearing about this movie prior to this class, even though there are some good actors in this movie, for example Richard Gere and Edward Norton. I love Richard Gere in Pretty Woman and Runaway Bride, two classic movies. Anyway, Primal Fear, came out in 1996 and tied a little bit of psychology into this particular film.
The scene where Aaron is inside his jail cell, and his defense lawyer, Martin Vail discusses with him the proper way he should go about how he looks in the court. I believe sometime last week or the week before we discussed briefly in class how appearance can play a big role in whether or not you’ll come across as innocent or guilty. When you look mean you are more than likely to be picked out as a criminal, even if you aren’t one, whereas if you soften your facial muscles up and try to look nice, less people will point their fingers at you. In this movie the defense lawyer, Martin Vail bluntly tells Aaron, “Yes, that’s the face right there that I want!” He wants the jury to believe Aaron is innocent, and he can try to do that by having him look innocent, so he can walk away with a verdict of being not guilty. Along that same line Martin ended up getting Aaron a suit so that he looked cleaned up and well put together. Appearances, especially in a court surrounding are very important when it comes to persuading the jury and in the outside world itself. People tend to care too much for their appearances these days and overlook personalities, just so they can be with someone who’s good looking. So this movie did a job at making appearance in this movie come out and relate to realistic situations.
This film had a lot of social psychology in it. A few examples that I noticed would be the relationship between Martin and the attorney, Janet where they would be butting heads in the court room to try to win over the jury whether to say that Aaron was guilty or not guilty. The jury members themselves had to take in all the information that the attorneys would speak out loud, ask witnesses or people that were testifying questions, then discard it when the judge told them certain information they had just retained needed to be taken off the record because he didn’t completely connect with this particular trial. This was all accurately dealt with by having or being influenced to be persuaded to lean towards one side over the other. The lecture notes on eyewitnesses is a good example of how people or things can implant an idea in your own mind and make you believe that certain idea is true or not. It’s very crazy what people can say and make you believe with just saying a few words or proving a few points.
The ending is what shocked me the most. I had a feeling that Aaron was faking with Roy, after I saw Aaron look up at Martin during his hearing when Martin was trying to aggravate Roy to come out. The look in his eye gave me a clue that he might of not had Multiple Personality Disorder, but still the way Edward Norton clapped his hands after Martin finally realized he wasn’t completely crazy, but instead just a murderous psycho, was pretty awesome. It was a twist to the story I didn’t expect to see from the start, because if I wouldn’t have played close attention to what Aaron said in the last jail cell scene, I might be confused on whether he was really more like Roy or Aaron or if he was a combination of the two characters together. Anyway, Aaron was able to win his case, even though he was 100% guilty, and I feel that there may be a few cases out there that can say this has happened before, however I don’t feel that this was as accurate of an ending we usually hear about for a murder case. But I did really enjoy this movie and was glad to see a different ending where the defense attorney does find out the guy he fought and defended for was truly guilty, it makes for a good movie.
This movie was AMAZING! The ending twist had my jaw dropped to the floor. I was so shocked and could not believe it. The movie itself was great and to have a twist like that it was unreal. I loved every bit of it. After being in this class for over a month, I can already tie in the things I have learned into this movie which I would have never thought of if I weren't in this class.
The first relation to psychology I noticed was the tie between clinical psychology and law. Marty had Aaron to be examined by the neuropsychologist before he testified anything. The psychologist and Aaron spent 60 hours together taped so she could determine if he possessed a mental disorder. I believe this was depicted well in the movie because the person would spend many hours with the defendant with a camera to get to know them and be able to review that tape and use it as possible evidence. Aaron was diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. The other personality he had was named Roy. The two personalities were complete opposites and she had it on tape. Marty experienced this with the tape off which I thought would hurt them while I was watching the movie besides the fact it was on tape from before with the psychologist. This movie made it very hard for me to want to believe people who plea insane more than before. I never really believed in that and after this movie it confirmed that belief due to the ending. Aaron had no other evidence to prove he had multiple personality disorder except what was for the case. My point being is this is the only time anyone saw his other personality so anyone could do this if he or she committed a crime. There was no further evidence of his other personality, Roy, at any other time or seen by anyone else. I know it is fiction but I believe it was acted out very realistically in the courtroom when he switched personalities because his intelligent lawyer knew how to play the game, as did the defendant. Little did they each know about each other, which I feel Marty should have known he could not trust Aaron like he stated earlier in the movie when he experienced the transition to Roy firsthand. I truly feel Aaron's personality is actually Roy. I feel he made up Aaron specifically for this case so he could get off which is sheer genius. This makes me weary on pleading insanity, anyone could do this and it is scary to me.
Social psychology is evident throughout this movie. The interactions among all participants in the trial is social psychology in the works. Marty asked Aaron questions about himself such as when he moved to chicago, what his suit size was, where he was from, etc. in his cell before everything began because he wanted Aaron to feel like he could trust Marty. Aaron said he thought that information was printed on his documents but Marty was trying to establish his interest in Aaron and not just the case. I also saw the same sort of approach with Aaron and his psychologist. The psychologist began with personal questions about Aaron's relationships with his family and the archbishop. She gradually progressed into deeper conversation to make him feel more comfortable sharing valuable information. I believe both of those scenes were depicted very well as both the psychologist and Marty kept professional, but yet were open to Aaron. Marty also told Aaron he was Aaron's new father, head figure in his life at that moment, making Aaron feel like he needs to tell Marty everything. Social psychology is used throughout the movie when Marty uses a different style of approach towards the other young man in the alley way when he ran away from him. Marty changed the way he acted so he could communicate with the guy to get the information he needed from him and so he would respect and cooperate with Marty. I feel like the situation was hollywood because I cannot see some lawyers in their suits chasing a man down the street and getting a knife away from them being able to get all of the information needed from the person. Social psychology was used between the prosecutor and the defense attorney because Marty would try to get close to the prosecuting attorney although they both had a history of intimacy together, he was trying to use that to win his case. He was very strategic in the way he went about speaking and approaching her to make her feel like he was not only into her because of the case. This are just some examples of the usage of social psychology in this movie but in all reality, this entire movie consisted of social psychology because it is a very critical aspect of law and psychology.
All in all I believe this movie depicted psychology usage as well as law by itself accurately to my knowledge. It kept me hooked and had a great twist like I mentioned earlier. I found it very fun and interesting to be able to apply what I have learned from class into this movie.
This was the first time I have seen Primal fear. Edward Norton is one of my favorite actors so I enjoyed the movie a lot. I really believed that he had multiple personalities but knew that he didn't as soon as he said sorry about the lawyer he attacked. Aaron is a very intelligent person and it shows with his ability to be manipulative and his acting skills. He had to make sure that he didn't break character had to know how to act in certain situations and how to act around certain people. In my eyes Aaron is the perfect criminal. Obviously, he isn't good at hiding his tracks because he still got caught by the authorities. But in the court room he has everything going for him. He has the face of an innocent man, and knows how to portray himself as a weak and uneasy peroson in order to persuade his audience that he is innocent.
There are many aspects of psychology that are included in this movie. One that really stuck out was when Marty was in Aaron's cell and Aaron said he didn't do it with the straightest face. Marty instanly said can you make that face again. Look in the mirror and work on that face. He also asked Aaron what size suit did he wear. Whether we like it or not people make bad judgements due to appearences. Marty wants to give Aaron that extra edge in court by dressing him up and putting a nice finish to his innocent mug. In class we talked about appearance and how crucial it was when it came to people's judgment. People generally are biased when they see people who look attractive, or innocent. They are more likely to pick people who look more guilty, unattractive, and mean. Aaron doesn't have any negative qualities in his appearance. Which gives him an even bigger advantage in his case. This is an example of social psychology because Marty wants to manipulate the court room into thinking Aaron's innocent by using his appearance. How the jury portrays him is important because in the end they make the decision.
Clinical psychology was used when Aaron was evaluated. I thought that they should have tried to find people that have been around Aaron and asked them if they saw signs of a split personality. Even though Aaron didn't seem to have family or friends they still should have attempted to ask people who have been around him if they saw signs of a personality disorder. I feel that even though they spent a large amount of time evaluating him they should have tried to find more sources. Even if they couldn't find people that know him when he was older they could have maybe talked to people that were in his child hood or teenage years. That could have helped them distiguish if he had it as a child or didn't aquire it until he was older. Obviously we know now that he was acting the whole time. But by asking people in his past and present they could have narrowed it down to when they believe he started having these multiple personality episodes. I believe that it was a mistake that they didn't try to dig deeper.
By Marty choosing Aaron's case was an axample of personality Psychology. Mainly because it showed Marty's personality and how he liked challenges. Also how Marty wanted to make Aaron look innocent before he actually knew he was innocent or not. He used discretion which we talked about in class when he decided not to tell the court about Roy. Instead he let him come out on his own which helped Aaron who was acting look even more psychologically unstable. Which lead the jury to believe he should go to a mental hospital instead of jail. Also at the end it showed how betrayed Marty felt and how surprised he was when Aaron confessed that he made up Roy. This showed that Marty truely thought he was doing the right thing but then found out in the end that it was for the wrong reasons.
The most interesting aspect of the movie was how manipulative Aaron was and the surprise at the end where Aaron tells Marty that Roy was made up. I beleive Aaron actually apologized on purpose just so Marty would find out that Roy was made up. Aaron couldn't help but to tell him because he fooled everyone.
This was the first time I had ever seen the movie Primal Fear and I must say that I am a fan of this movie. There are good actors in this movie too such as Richard Gere and Edward Norton. This movie, made in 1996, ties well with psychology.
One part that fits well with what we talked about in class was when the attorney Martin went into Aaron's jail cell to discuss how he should look when going into trial. We talked about this in class pretty recently and found that the way you look in the courtroom is important because it could have an affect on the way the jury sees you and the way they give their verdict. If a defendant looks mean or angry, juries are more likely to have a guilty verdict. However if the defendant looks more nice and innocent they might be more likely to lean towards not guilty. That's why Martin wanted Aaron to wear a suit and look presentable in the courtroom so it would be easier to persuade the jury and the judge.
An important psychological concept prevalent in this movie is clinical psychology. The part where Aaron is talking with the psychiatrist is a good example of this. The psychiatrist is trying to see whether or not Aaron has some sort personality disorder and I think that this is obviously something that is done in real life however I think more tests would be done in order to tell whether or not he really did have multiple personality disorder. I feel like the insanity plea is used a lot and I think if a criminal was very convincing he would get away with faking it, which kind of makes you second guess the insanity plea.
Another type of psychology used in this movie is the use of forensic psychology. This is prevalent because you can see the crime scene, the CSI and other aspects like that so you can get a feel for how it might go down in real life and also see how the crime plays out during the movie.
I think the ending was really interesting. Throughout the movie you kind of have your doubts about whether or not Aaron actually has multiple personality disorder but the ending just blows your mind. I would definitely recommend this movie to other people because it's a very good movie.
I thought this movie was great! I really was not expecting it to end the way that it did. I didn’t think this movie would be that interesting, but I’m really glad we were assigned to watch it. One of the parts that stood out to me was when the defense attorney (Richard Gere) makes the statement about the way other people view him. He said, “We sit next to some creep, and we start to look creepy. They assume they’re guilty, like we know it or something. You don’t know, you don’t ask, you don’t care. You do the damn job.” Later, he also says: “I believe in the notion that people are innocent until proven guilty. I believe in that notion because I choose to believe in the basic goodness of people. I choose to believe that not all crimes are committed by bad people. And I try to understand that some very, very good people do some very bad things.”
I had always wondered how somebody could defend a person they know committed a crime. Why would they want them to get away with it? I think this is interesting how it was stated in the movie. I don’t know how true it is, but it would help explain how defense attorneys do what they do. They’re just doing their job, because that’s all they can do. This movie helps people understand how defense attorneys do what they do. I was actually rooting for the defense for most of the movie because I wasn’t convinced that Aaron was a bad person.
This movie, as a whole, showed how the criminal justice system can work to help people with psychological disorders, or how it can be taken advantage of. If we assumed that Aaron really did suffer from multiple personality disorder, then it would be good for him to be sent away for psych. evaluations and hopefully not spend too much time in jail, but rather getting treated for his illness. At the same time, it showed how the system can be manipulated by somebody pretending to be mentally ill. Hopefully, there aren’t a lot of cases where people are able to get away with pretending to be mentally ill, but I’m sure it has happened. It would be extremely hard to be a prosecutor or defense attorney in real life because you would want to be certain you understand your perpetrator completely. This is where forensic psychology comes into play. We need the best forensic psychologists to help us determine whether or not somebody is mentally ill. We don’t necessarily want to send a mentally ill person away to prison for the rest of their life, and we also don’t want a sane person to get set free after they’ve committed a crime. This shows just how important of a role psychology plays in law. This movie was a great explanation of all that.
I thought the most interesting part of the movie was the end when we found out the truth about Aaron/Roy. One part that really confused me was how the defense attorney and prosecuting attorney were always talking about the case details together outside of court. Is this allowed in real-life situations, because it doesn’t seem like it should be. I also don’t understand why they couldn’t change their plea to legally insane. How would they know he’s got psychological issues until after he’s been tested? All in all, it was a great movie; I’m just not sure how realistic some parts of the movie were.
Watching Primal Fear probably was one of our most interesting and attention-grabbing assignments yet. I really appreciate our Hybrid class and the range of ways we are learning about Psychology and Law. I'll be honest and say I didn't get the opportunity to finish the movie but I definitely plan on going back and finishing it. From now on I dont believe ill be able to watch another movie involving the processes of pychology without looking at how it overlaps with the law.
The first aspect of psychology I noticed was the perception that everyone had of Aaron Stampler. The the press does a flawless job of creating a kind of "human propagada" and gives the suspect the nickname, "The Butcher Boy". I think the renaming of Aaron Stampler fuels the trial and makes it more interesting in the eyes of the people. This nicknaming can also have negative affects on things like the verdicts of the jury members. I think psychological perceptions also overlaps with social psychology because of the way people will think of Stampler by associating the nickname with his crime.
In the scene where Martin is speaking with a doctor about looking into Aaron Stampler's amnesia problem, I believe there is Some clinical psychology involved in her attempt to diagnose him. She gives reason why a person would experience amnesia. Those include substance abuse, seisures, and head trauma/injury. I remember talking about these major causes of amnesia in my last semester intro to psychology class. The doctor concludes that she will do the testing on the young man and also would like to conduct and MRI and MEG scan on his brain. These things all have to do with Clinical Psychology and a little bit of cognitive psychology as well.
The relationship between Martin Vale and the Prosecuting counselor depicts more and more social psychology as the movie goes on. In the second courtroom scene, the pair continue to bicker back and forth almost being comical at times. These attorneys know their gameplan and use these socially psychological tactics to not only draw the case out but to confuse the jury and even try to split the jury by making them choose sides. Using this aspect of psychology, we also see how the innocent face and stuttering Kentucky-acented of Stampler could play a huge part in the ruling of this case. People dont expect to see a smooth faced, little boy as having the ability and the anger inside of him to kill someone like a preist. His ability to not look the murderer part plays in his favor for a while.
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There are several principles addressed about the intersection between psychology and law. The first is the public’s view of the defendant. He is a nice looking guy with a sweat, baby-like face. In class we discussed that a person (we used male examples) with more baby-like features is viewed as being nicer, more kind or more trustworthy. Then there are people and even poses taken in a mug shot that may make a person (or suspect) appear guiltier. In class we talked about the ‘chin-up’ pose. This makes people look tougher and almost like there are challenging someone. However, in Primal Fear when Roy is present then the actor puts his head down and looks up at the people he is talking to. It is really creepy. It made me think that however one addresses the camera it will suggest certain things about the person.
Another example of psychology and law interacting is when Aaron claims to black out or not remember when Roy is present but Roy is fully aware of Aaron. It seems that these characteristics are partially true for multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia. It is my understanding that when someone has multiple personality disorder each personality or split is unaware of the others. They are independent of each other. In this case Roy is aware of and even instructs Aaron about what to do. It would seem that when Roy is instructing Aaron it would be more like hearing voices and following their direction. In regards to multiple personality disorder it seems right that someone would claim to have blacked out when they are going from personality to personality. That part seems accurate but when the defendant claims that he, Aaron, has no recollection that Roy exists however, it is inaccurate for Roy to be aware of Aaron.
The most interest aspect of this movie is the twist ending. I really hope these types of things do not happen in real life. But, it was very thrilling, scary, weird – a Hollywood thriller. I find it interesting that once a verdict is reached and a person is sentenced then it cannot be overturned. Someone cannot be tried for the same crime twice. So even though the defendant showed how completely guilty he was but there was nothing that can be done. That person is forever free from that crime.
This was my first time seeing Primal Fear, and I really enjoyed it. The movie is full of psychology, from social to clinical, to behaviorism. It's all there. Psychology and law also intersect several times. In this movie, we see both the beginning and the end of the legal process with the crime being committed and the following trial and acquitting. Barely any of the middle ground of the legal process is seen, mostly because it didn't have any entertainment value and because the story was centered around the defense attorney.
One part of the movie that I think (or hope really) was depicted inaccurately was the functioning of police. Directly after the crime, the movie depicted media swarming the scene as well as numerous people, including the attorneys, entering and leaving the scene. According to what we've talked about in class and read in the police handbooks, this is horribly inaccurate. The police's job after a crime is primarily keeping the scene sterile and uncompromised. If the police's role was accurately depicted, the crime scene would have been sealed up more tightly.
For entertainment purposes, the movie also played up the role of the "lazy cop" when Marty went to the crime scene and stole the tape. The cop wasn't even posted in the actual crime scene and gave Marty a halfhearted warning about not touching anything from the scene. I think (and again hope) that this isn't the actual attitude a cop would take when guarding a crime scene. I'm not even sure if defense attorneys would have access to a crime scene while trial was in session. I feel like the scene would have been cleaned up by that time in the timeline if they were already prosecuting a witness.
Other, more obvious, parts of the movie that intersected psychology and law were the social psychology coming into play at the beginning of the movie and the clinical psychology discussed during the trial.
When Marty and Aaron first meet in his cell, Marty asks for Aaron's suit measurements. He also wants to take advantage of Aaron's "innocent" look. Marty is playing on the social psychology of impressions. We make impressions of people based firstly on their appearance. By dressing him up and having him look more innocent, Marty is trying to give the jury a better opinion of Aaron than if he were to have different features presented. I feel like these points were emphasized and exaggerated maybe a little, but they are definitely accurate. Real defendants are encouraged to wear formal clothing and to not make "incriminating" facial expressions during trial. Like we talked about in class, the job of the defense attorney is to tell a story, and this was highlighted in the film.
Clinical psychology comes to play during the trial, when we find out from a clinical psychologist that Aaron (allegedly) has textbook symptoms of Multiple Personality Disorder. Later, after "Aaron" has a "break-down" in the courtroom, the judge gives him a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity. These aspects of psychology and law were obviously exaggerated for entertainment value, but Multiple Personality Disorder is a real personality disorder and the symptoms presented were true symptoms of the disorder.
If you were curious, the behaviorism that I mentioned at the beginning was referring to the prosecutor's smoking habits, but that doesn't really have to deal with psych and law. I just thought it was funny and interesting and included behavior modification which I have been trained to recognize in everyday life by one Otto Maclin.
The most interesting aspect of the movie for me was probably the same as everyone who saw this for the first time. I'm obviously talking about the ending, when we discover that Aaron's disorder is all made up. I was thrown for a loop as I'm sure others were. However, I'm not sure how authentic that situation could really be. I'm a psychology student, and I don't think I could actively portray symptoms of a disorder so perfectly to actually be able to trick a clinical psychologist or a jury into believing that I had that disorder.
Overall, I really enjoyed the movie and the opportunity to observe psychology and law intersecting in such an entertaining way.