For this assignment, listen to the Act 1 of the This American Life episode #215 called As An Expert. If you have a smartphone or tablet, the easiest way to listen to this, and all the other radio shows for the class, is to download the This American Life app. Once you have the app you can quickly find shows (by title or episode number) and listen right then and there. You can also go to the websitewww.thisamericanlife.org and search on episode number. I've found it for you here: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/215/ask-an-expert click on launch player and listen to the show.
How did this episode make you feel? According to what you know about scientific aspects of memory as presented in your textbook, are there elements of recovered memory that make sense or that you think might have some validity? What questions do you still have about recovered memory or the recovered memory movement (from the perspective of practitioners using it or legal scholars trying to fight it)?
Provide the psychology terms you used in your response at the bottom of your comment.
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Well, I can certainly say for a fact that this episode of This American Life has reaffirmed my opinions on going to see therapists for any reason. I'm astonished and a little appalled that the so-called 'recovered memory' movement is a thing. As for whether or not it has any validity to it, I can't say I found anything in the text that specifically dealt with repressed memories or their significance. The client described in the show spoke of a dream she had about her father sending bears to attack her and whatnot. It was this that the therapist latched onto to begin the process of uncovering a repressed memory that was apparently surfacing in her dreams. I'm no psychologist, but that sounds like it was delving a bit into dream analysis, which was a Freudian idea. I may be wrong, but I thought most of his techniques were made obsolete. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but I digress.
One concept that IS touched on in the book that appears to bear any relevance is the theoretical process of memory alteration through reconsolidation. It stands to reason, for me at least, that if one can alter a memory simply by accessing it and putting it back into long-term storage, it wouldn't be a big stretch to hypothesize a scenario where one can access a memory (say, a recurring dream) and distort it to the point where it becomes something else entirely. The concept of persistence sets in, being exposed to a fair degree of suggestibility on the part of the therapists who insist on forcing the client to 'recount' their experiences only to distort the memories further.
I certainly have questions about this whole mess. Are psychologists working on methods to validate the significance of potential repressed memories? Are offending therapists facing any sort of court mandated punishment? (I personally think they should.) Are instructors teaching future therapists the potential dangers that this data has uncovered? And most importantly to me, even if it is remotely evident to a therapist that a client has repressed memories, if the client appears to have shown significant improvement, should it even be necessary to dig up those memories given the trend of people actually getting worse due to the strain it ends up putting on their relationships, as well as their mind? From my perspective the goal of a therapist is to grant their clients a lasting peace of mind, and this whole memory recovery movement is counter-productive to that purpose. Their aim should be to help people move on with their lives, not make mountains out of mole hills.
The keywords are: repressed memories, dream, dream analysis, theoretical, memory alteration, reconsolidation, long-term storage, memory, distortion, persistence, and suggestibility.
I have never felt the need to go to therapist because I feel that I have never had any large problems in my life. After listening to this episode of This American Life, I have realized that I wouldn’t want to go to a therapist even if I was having issues at home or school. The therapists discussed in this show gave their clients the conclusion that the problems that they were presently having were because of some traumatic even that they weren’t able to even remember. These similar cases were regarded as the Recovered Memory movement. I felt sorry for the clients who were, in a way, forced to look back at times of child abuse or satanic events that “simply never had occurred”, said by the host of the show. Both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association agreed that these cases are rare and that treatment should be viewed with skepticism. In a way, it seems as though these therapists created somewhat of an epidemic instead of creating solutions.
One thing that intrigued me about this episode was when they had a lady who discussed her experience with a therapist. She talked to her about a dream that she was having where her father was chasing her as a bear or with a bear, I can’t recall exactly. Her therapist took advantage of the opportunity and kept asking her questions about whether her father was abusive or if she was sexually assaulted. This surprised me because the guest telling the story explained that she knew without a doubt that nothing happened to her when she was growing up. Why would the therapist think this was the case when she knew that nothing happened because she was a friend of the show’s guest’s family? I could not believe that, but the guest then explains how she was put through hypnosis and told the entire story of what happened between her and her father. She didn’t recall her telling of the story but the therapist took notes as she explained so she recited what she said.
I now understand that I have repressed memories that my mind does not want to bring out due them being something that I personally don’t want to remember. However, if put under certain circumstances, my mind can recall memories that may not have even happened at any time in my life. I was disgusted after the understanding how conditioning a person to remember something that doesn’t exist makes them believe that it really did. I do not want to experience this at all. That is the main reason why I do not want to participate in therapy of any kind with a person that is paid to provide therapy. This makes me also wonder about why these psychologists would do something like that just to keep them coming back for more sessions. Is if for money? Is it because they need something to do? I also wonder if therapists even understand repressed memories. I, as a therapist, would look to help a person forget their bad experiences or, if they can’t forget them, help them get through them and to somehow get over those problems and continue life in a more happy light.
Terminology: Repressed memory, Dreams, memory, therapist, American Psychological Association (APA), American Psychiatric Association (APA), Recovered Memory Movement
After listening to this episode, I feel that I will never go to a therapist. Prior to this assignment I was already skeptical about their research and how well they really help people. I cannot believe how many people the theory of repressing memories severely affected, before claimed false. Prior to treatment Beth was fine and had a happy life with her family. However, because of a strange dream Linda thought she was repressing a horrific memory about her childhood. To me, it makes sense as to why Beth started having more and more dreams about child abuse. She was told to read books about abuse, and from previous chapters I learned that dreams could be triggered from things you did or read about that day. I don’t think I was right for Linda to come to the conclusion about Beth being abused as a child all because of one dream. I think more evidence needed to be conducted to prove that. However, because of that Beth and her parents lives were ruined and would never be the same. I don’t understand why Beth did not get tested in the beginning if she thought she was a virgin in the first place. If the results came back that she was not a virgin, and Beth could not remember how, that obviously meant she was indeed repressing a memory from trauma.
One topic discussed in this episode and textbook is long-term storage. Long-term storage is where some information may be forgotten. Some people are able to remember that forgotten information by experiencing something again that triggers the old memory. This is similar to repressing a memory. However, the therapist pushes so hard that it causes a patient to think so hard into a hypnotic state. Another topic discussed in both that can prove repressing a memory wrong, was how our memories can be distorted or flawed. According to the textbook, research has shown clearly that human memory provides less than accurate portrayals of past events. Distortion occurs in memory in four ways; memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, and suggestibility. Memory bias is the changing of memories over time so that they become consistent with our current beliefs or attitudes. Linda pushed Beth so hard that she made her believe and actually feel memories that really never happened to her. It’s quite amazing how suggestible out minds can be.
I do have some questions about the recovered memory movement after listening to this episode. I really want to know the consequences the practitioners are faced with if they use this method of therapy. Are they charged? What scientific research did they conduct to believe this method? Did patients go back to therapy to help them recover from this horrific even they went through all because of therapy in the first place? I also want to know who decides the curriculum in training therapists? Linda discussed how she didn’t think she was doing anything wrong because it was just what she was taught. She even felt wrong when she started to question it, because she thought these ideas were properly tested and that she was suppose to follow them. All she wanted to do was help people, when in fact she was severely hurting people because of false claims she was taught in school. It’s sad only 10-12 percent of believed their memories could now be false. I really hope no more therapists practice this method and that better research is conducted in the future to actually help people, rather than ruin them.
Psychology Terms: repressing memories, dreams, long-term storage, hypnotic state, distortion, memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, suggestibility.
I have never been to a therapist because I see no need to, but if anything completely tramatic happens to me, I can’t say that I would be making an appointment. I have friends that go to therapy sessions for traumatic events that have happened in their lives, and to be honest, I can’t say that I have seen improvement in their attitude or behaviors. I realize that it is their profession to ask questions that make the patient think and rethink what has happened in their lives and attempt to uncover the true meanings of such events. But I feel as if they go overboard on this concept.
I can’t help to think that there is almost no validity of recovered memory when it comes from the assistance of a therapist. In this case, Beth had thought long and hard about her child life and could never put sexual abuse from her father into her brain as actually happening. Once her therapist encouraged her to do rape readings, she began to believe and think that these instances had happened to her, influencing her brain to dream such things during her REM sleep. And because of the therapist putting these images in Beth’s brain, it ruined her father’s life by making him losing his job and close friends. And once Beth started to get better after ending communication with her therapist, it really makes me question if anything a therapist says is valid. But, the text book talks about long-term storage where some memories may be forgotten. These memories may be remembered again after something that triggers that same memory. Also, as the therapist talks to the patient and pushes her to remember such thoughts, the patient suddenly wakes up and doesn’t remember anything that happens. This was because she was put into a hypnotic state that can alter your thoughts, leading to the therapist connecting those words with possible reasons why those words were said. Once Beth is reunited with her father in her aunt’s kitchen, her repressed memory of the good father he was to her comes back.
I question how this memory of being sexually abused by their parents was forgotten as repressed memories. I just cannot wrap my brain around the concept of repressed memories, if one is stressing so much over such a memory, how does it become repressed and how do we completely forget about it until we use our recovered memory with the help of a therapist. Another thing I question is how thoughts like that can be altered so drastically. It amazes me how our brains can change memories so quickly to false memories, and then realize that those memories were false the whole time. But, from what I gathered, that those thoughts were induced, and began to become real because they were so frequently induced, but once the thoughts and ideas vanished from the brain, the brain’s memories and thoughts returned back to their original thinking and memories.
Terms: repressed memories, recovered memory, REM sleep, long-term memory, hypnotic
Listening to the radio post and the stories told about repressed memories was actually quite disturbing to me. The idea of not remembering huge details of your life, as a way to cope with such horrible situations is curious. I have never been one to enjoy the idea of therapy and the work of therapists. I have gone multiple times and I don’t feel as though this type of ‘recovery’ is helpful in anyway. After listening to the post and the story told about a therapist basically ruining someone’s life, I would not feel compelled to visit another therapist. The idea of repressed memory is a very foreign topic to me, as I have not heard much about it. This idea of repressed memory reminds me of the book, The Perks of Being a Wallflower. The main character forgets that his aunt, whom he always says he adores, actually molested him as a child. He seems to neglect this memory as a way to remember his aunt as a loving family member, and not for what she really was. I’m not sure I truly believe in the idea, but also don’t discredit it at the same time.
After reading the chapter and listening to the radio post, recovered memory doesn’t seem to be logical or valid. To understand the concept of recovered memory, I re-read the part of the chapter on long-term storage and reconsolidation of memories. Reconsolidation of memories is a process in which a memory that is activated must be consolidated again for long-term storage. The book states that past memories can be activated and changed by new contexts. Like repressed memories, reconsolidated memories are vulnerable to suggestibility. The book also brings up another possibility that goes along with repressed memory where they question whether bad memories can be erased when they are activated and then interfered with.
I don’t think there is currently a way to validate the idea of repressed memory. With such a little understanding of recovered memory and no evidence of this actually occurring, I do not think therapists should be able to work through it with patients. The story about Beth and her therapist Linda was awful. Beth came to Linda talking about how she had a dream where her father was attacking her. The therapist took this dream and flew with it, stating that Beth had been sexually abused and that her memories of it had been repressed. After months of prodding and thinking trying to remember this event, Beth’s thoughts got the best of her and she started believing that she had been abused. This whole mess tore her family apart and she basically went mental. The fact that she hadn’t repressed these memories and none of it had happened is crazy. Linda made her believe her whole life was a lie, and I feel that this was a misuse of her power as a therapist. I can’t understand repressed memories and have a lot of questions, but I think the idea is fascinating. I think in some cases, such memories can happen, but the Recovered Memory Movement and false cases have ruined the chance of patients actually figuring out whether it’s true or not.
Psych Terms: repressed memory, memory, recovered memory, long-term storage, reconsolidation, Recovered Memory Movement
This episode, to me, was by far the best This American Life episode we have listened to. The episode provided psychological elements along with a very sad, but interesting story of a girl named Beth. Beth visited a therapist in hope to help her with her struggle with depression; sadly her visit had many unintended consequences. After Beth’s second visit she ran out of things to talk about to her therapist, who worked at the church Beth’s father did. Her therapist questioned if she had any other things she wanted to talk about. Beth brought up weird, scary dreams she had about her father. She mentioned how it was especially strange, because her and her father had a close relationship. Beth’s therapist asked if Beth had been sexually abused by her father, because the dreams she was talking about were common in children who had been sexually abused. Beth denied this accusation immediately, and she only went back to the therapist in order to prove that what she was saying wasn’t true. What Beth and the therapist didn’t know was a beast had been unleashed.
It took eighteen months, but eventually Beth had been convinced by her therapist that her father had sexually abused her. Her therapist told her that her dreams were flashbacks, and made Beth fall into a hypnosis in which Beth told the “story” of what happened between her and her father. Beth was horrified by her own words that came out of her own mouth. After two and a half years of therapy, Beth’s therapist convinced her to go public with her accusation. This tore her family apart. Her father lost his job, Beth emotionally and physically went downhill, and neither Beth nor her sisters were allowed to see their parents. I feel so terrible for what happened to this family. Their life flipped upside down in the blink of an eye. I especially feel terrible for Beth’s father. I cannot imagine the pain he went through dealing with not only being a monster in the public eye but knowing his own daughter believed her had sexually abused her.
What Beth went through was an example of a false recovered memory. Beth was at a vulnerable state when she was asked about her father. She was speaking with a professional, who she thought had the answer to why she dreamt those dreams. Therefore, she felt her and her therapist had recovered her memory when she was young. Psychologists today now know that hypnosis and guided meditation are risky practices of therapy, because it can have many unintended consequences like the example of Beth’s family. In chapter seven I learned about suggestibility. In this I learned that when people are given misleading information, this information affects their memory. Suggestibility of memories in long-term storage creates many problems, even for our justice system. The eyewitness account can be severely affected by suggestibility because one can be given the wrong information and start believing it. Suggestibility may coincide with recovered memory. Maybe when suggestibility occurs, it can act as a false recovered memory.
What I think is amazing about the recovered memory moment is the group called The False Memory Syndrome Foundation. I think this is such a great way for parents, or anyone wrongly being accused, to get together to support one another and share their stories. Also in this episode, a therapist named Linda spoke up about false recovered memory. She like many psychologists, had been unintentionally encouraging false recovered memory in her therapy sessions. Once she realized there is such thing as a false recovered memory, she promised a family that had once been broken in front of her own eyes due to a false recovered memory that she would speak up about this major issue. In my opinion, there need to be more therapists like Linda who speak out about the psychological mistake they had been practicing in their therapy. I question if there is any way that we could make sure that all therapists are up-to-date on their practices in order to prevent things like these from happening. New discoveries are being made in psychology, and it is so important that influential people such as psychologists and therapists are current on their practice so they do not make any mistakes regarding the health of a person’s mental well-being. Also, I would like to know if there is any way that there could be an end to hypnosis and guided meditation used in therapy if it has the potential to be so mentally damaging. What happened to Beth’s family and the families that Linda talked about is wrong, and I hope there is some way we can put an end to this terrible element of recovered memory.
Terms: Recovered memory, memory, false recovered memory, suggestibility, psychology, long-term storage
Recovering Memory
This episode made me feel slightly confused. In a sense I was almost mystified. How could someone convince another person that their memories were something other than what they truly remembered. It may not have been intentional, but after working with their patients for so long, they managed to create new memories that really didn’t exist but only in the person’s imagination. I think that the psychologists managed to cause retroactive interferences on their patients. They did this through persistence. They accidentally distorted their patient’s memory. The psychologists had them convinced that these events had taken place, and a memory bias then formed in the patient, like the young lady who was convinced that her father had sexually abused her as a child. She knew that she had a very happy childhood with a good relationship with her father, but after about 18 months, her psychologist had her convinced otherwise. It was all due to the misinterpretation of a dream the young lady had shared with her psychologist. I found it really interesting to hear both sides of the stories in this episode, from the psychologist and patients. Both sides seemed fairly innocent, at least from those being interviewed. Expert doesn’t always mean that what they are doing is right. In these cases, people need to trust their instincts. That is some of the fault in psychology, especially in memory. There is too much unknown territory in our memory and brains to try and manipulate and toy with it. As we can see from this episode, it can cause a lot of damage.
Terms: retroactive inferences, distort, persistence, memory, memory bias,
October 7, 2014
I once have had to go to the therapist due to my parents having problems at home. Hearing about the recovered memory movement just made me pissed off, because they would sometimes feed you lies about why your problems are how they are. This would lead to some patients becoming worse than what they began. How one person in Act 1 named Beth, she talks about the dreams of her dad threatening and sending bears to attack her, even though her and her father got along quite well. She was confused about those dreams. So she went and visited one, and she was told to set up a check up appointment in 4 weeks just to make sure she was doing better. She was doing great until the last 10 minutes of her check up. The therapists than asked if she was abused or touched inappropriately. She than began to say that the dreams people have like that, tend to come from people getting abused. The therapist told her to think about any repressed memories or anything she couldn’t remember. She began to doubt what her parents would do and say. Beth started to avoid her family and was giving books to read on abusing and harassment. After having dreams of abusing and harassment, her therapist said that those were flashbacks. She was very wrong on what she was telling Beth.
I think the recovered memory is completely wrong. The book talks about the theoretical process of memory altercation through reconsolidation. That is the only connection even thought it isn’t strong, that touches base on things. These things are such as a recurring dream and taking that until it becomes something far from it. The therapists suggest things and try to have their clients recount their memories, which lead to ruining more and more memories.
I have a lot of questions about this whole “Recovered memory movement.” The stories that I heard on these podcasts made me think on how these therapists would keep using this type of therapy? Was it for the money? Or because they didn’t know what else to do? This is very troubling for me and makes me never want to go to a therapist for any problems I’m having. These problems will be solved overtime, but I don’t need someone using wrongful tactics to try and make me better. I feel lucky that I wasn’t affected and made worse when I went while my parents were having marriage problems. The therapists need to do more research and conduct better sessions in the future.
Terms Used: Recovered Memory Movement, Repressed Memory, Dreams, Theoretical, Memory Altercation, Reconsolidation,
October 7, 2014
I once have had to go to the therapist due to my parents having problems at home. Hearing about the recovered memory movement just made me pissed off, because they would sometimes feed you lies about why your problems are how they are. This would lead to some patients becoming worse than what they began. How one person in Act 1 named Beth, she talks about the dreams of her dad threatening and sending bears to attack her, even though her and her father got along quite well. She was confused about those dreams. So she went and visited one, and she was told to set up a check up appointment in 4 weeks just to make sure she was doing better. She was doing great until the last 10 minutes of her check up. The therapists than asked if she was abused or touched inappropriately. She than began to say that the dreams people have like that, tend to come from people getting abused. The therapist told her to think about any repressed memories or anything she couldn’t remember. She began to doubt what her parents would do and say. Beth started to avoid her family and was giving books to read on abusing and harassment. After having dreams of abusing and harassment, her therapist said that those were flashbacks. She was very wrong on what she was telling Beth.
I think the recovered memory is completely wrong. The book talks about the theoretical process of memory altercation through reconsolidation. That is the only connection even thought it isn’t strong, that touches base on things. These things are such as a recurring dream and taking that until it becomes something far from it. The therapists suggest things and try to have their clients recount their memories, which lead to ruining more and more memories.
I have a lot of questions about this whole “Recovered memory movement.” The stories that I heard on these podcasts made me think on how these therapists would keep using this type of therapy? Was it for the money? Or because they didn’t know what else to do? This is very troubling for me and makes me never want to go to a therapist for any problems I’m having. These problems will be solved overtime, but I don’t need someone using wrongful tactics to try and make me better. I feel lucky that I wasn’t affected and made worse when I went while my parents were having marriage problems. The therapists need to do more research and conduct better sessions in the future.
Terms Used: Recovered Memory Movement, Repressed Memory, Dreams, Theoretical, Memory Altercation, Reconsolidation,
Recovered Memory blog response
10/7/14
Throughout this episode, I had many emotions going through my mind, when the episode first started, I did not blame the therapists. I felt that they were just doing their job, and honestly believed in the practice of recovered memory therapy. I do not believe that this discredits therapists and psychologists, and I think in the majority of situations, talking to a therapist can really help. Obviously, in this situation it did not, and that is very unfortunate and sad. I feel for this family and all that they went through. As the story went on, I found it harder and harder to not become upset and want to blame the therapist for everything that happened, but when we were able to talk to the psychologist, I found myself going back to my first initial thoughts; that it wasn’t the therapists faults. It wasn’t anybody’s fault really, it was just a principle that wasn’t properly understood and too commonly accepted. In the end, what I felt after reading this article was the importance and power of psychology. This just shows that your mind is a crazy and powerful thing, and it’s important to handle all aspects of mental therapy with great care and thought.
I believe that recovered memory does have some validity, but that it must be observed and used very carefully. In our book, there was a little article that talked about a pill that made people “forget” certain memories. What it talked about was the way that memories are altered slightly every time they are accessed. In this case every time the memories were accessed of a terrible event, the therapist helped the patient to recall these memories and eventually the memories also became less threatening. If this can be done in a positive way, I have no doubt that the brain works the opposite way as well, meaning that if that same subject was brought up in a bad way, the memory could become more and more threatening. So this would explain how psychologists got people to believe that they were sexually abused or exposed to other horrible things when they were children, when they really were not. Another theory for this could be retroactive interference; in this case, Beth’s older memories were being impaired by the new ones that she had visualized in her head, until she truly believed all of these things had happened. Also our memory can be distorted, because it is not a perfect representation of the past, but rather it is flawed. One last way the book explains that this could happen is through suggestibility, people can be influenced to believe something because they are unsure themselves or because the want to believe that something has happened. All of these elements could swing either way, they could show that recovered memory is just something psychologists just put into their patients heads, but it could also show that the criminal or accused put into their victims head that it did NOT happen. Overall, I believe that it can happen, but it is something that should be taken very seriously.
Some questions that I had after watching this video relate to repression. I noticed that in our chapter on memories, there was no talk of repression, and this was a common word used in TAL episode. Another thing I wonder about after hearing this episode, is what came to be of these people that were wrongly accused, and how did they come to fix the problem of false accusations through recovered memories in psychology today?
Terms: Recovered Memory, Retroactive Interference, Suggestibility, Distortion, Repression.
In short, this episode made me cry. When I heard Beth’s father speak, I could not imagine the pain and absolute confusion he was going through. He knew he did not commit such acts of evil but his daughter, the little girl he raised and loved, believed he did horrible things to her and thought he was a monster. She ruined his life but when she finally realized her memories were false he happily took her back. I could not believe that such horrible things happened simply from the brain tricking itself into believing false memories. It disgusts me to hear that these therapists, people sworn to help, are the ones causing these problems and still continue to practice recovered memory tactics even after they have been told it is not legitimate. I never thought therapy sessions were the answers to people’s problems, more of a way to just find someone to talk to, but I never in my life imagined that the therapists could be the ones causing the problems. In my book, I learned that it is possible to block memories of traumatic events or distort them. Distortion is when the human memory of the past if not a perfectly accurate representation and deeply flawed. Such things are like memory bias, the changing of memories over time so they become consistent with our current beliefs or values. In Beth’s case, the therapist kept pushing and pushing Beth to believe her father had abused her, so she eventually revised her memories to match what she was being told. She trusted the therapist and forced herself to believe her. Another distortion is the flashbulb memory, where something is so traumatic one remembers everything clearly for a long time. This theory, however, is not quite true for people’s stories about these events have changed over time. Another is misattribution, when a person misremembers the time, place, person, or circumstances of a memory. For example, you have memory of and event but cannot remember where it came from. Such memories could likely be figments of the mind or dreams that seem so vivid a person believed them to be real. And finally, the worst form, and the one employed by the therapists who use recovered memory tactics, is suggestibility. Suggestibility is the way things, like questions, are stated that can influence one’s memory. Such tactics create false memories and problems in people reporting crimes, such as Beth accusing her father of sexually abusing her. They become so confident their memories are right, especially with the encouragement and blind belief of the therapists, that they are willing to believe the worst about themselves and ruin their lives. Because of these factors, recovered memory tactics are not reliable. A person may be able to recall something they once forgot, but it would be distorted. This video and information make me feel hostile towards such tactics, even if the memories may even be true. Obviously they were repressed for a reason. I feel that such tactics should not be employed by therapists for as much as they think they are helping the patient they are actually doing them more harm. Beth’s false memories caused her life to fall apart and almost killed her father. I do not see how any therapist could look at such chaos they created and believe that it helped.
(sorry i forgot to post my terms with my original post)
Memory, Recovered memory, distortion, flashbulb, memory bias, suggestibility, misattribution
The start of the episode made me feel sad when the young girl was talking about how she was depressed and felt life was very thin. And then I felt more scared as soon as she started describing the horrible dreams shes been having about her dad coming after her and sending bears after her. It was bizarre because she mentioned she had a very happy family and Beth and her dad had a very good relationship, I thought that was extremely weird. And after the psychiatrist asked her if she had been abused before in any type of way, because that is what these dreams generally mean and the young girl replies no, almost astonished she would even ask such a thing. I was very curious as to what could have caused her to have those kind of dreams then. I thought it was also weird that your mind could forget horrible things that have happened to you, like sexual abuse. It made me think, what if I my mind had used selective attention and I had been abused when I was a child and my storage phase of memory just decided to delete it because I was scared and hurt. My parents have told me it’s important I do good and school and do all this other stuff, what if they are doing it just out of guilt like Beth’s parents had done to her. I think that recovered memory is very believable. There once was a theory that went with dreams discovered by Freud. He had said that dreams contain hidden content in the mind of the dreamer, otherwise known as manifest content. Next I thought the process where you rebuild your memories that you might’ve forgotten and working yourself into a hypnotic state. Her implicit memory must've let it’s guard down because next she ended up telling the story about what her father had done to her when she was a little girl and she didn’t even realize she did it until she re read the story the therapist had written down. I think this proves that recovered memory is real and it’s possible to forget things we do not want to remember. Why else would Beth not have any idea about what happened to her with her father? She seemed totally clueless with this experience and all the other clients she had talked about had the same experience. It could be that their short term storage and working memory decided to hide the information because it was such an unpleasant experience. I do find it hard to believe that you could see or be apart of something so horrible and you just never remember it. I personally couldn’t imagine seeing one of my parents murder a person right in front of me and forget about it. To me, that is absolutely horrifying. I do have a few questions about recovery memory. How could it be possible for her to not recall any of the events that took place unless she was in something like the hypnosis state? Why was she only able to remember the events then?
Terms: selective attention, encoding, freud, manifest content, implicit memory, hypnotic state, recovered memory, short term storage, working memory,
In this episode, the clients were opened to poor information. They were misled from the bad information and ended up having some serious problems in their lives. The clients went in for therapy, some not because they needed it but because they wanted to just try it. The professionals listened to their stories and dreams and told them about how their dreams could be memories stored away from their childhood. One client described how she went in for fun and during a session she told the professional about a dream she had been having. The dream was that her dad would chase after her with a club or paddle and would also send animals after her. The professional took this repetitive dream as memories from the clients past which were horrific scenes in her life. She said that the dreams meant that she could have been abused or sexually abused by her father as a child. The client could not believe what she was hearing and ended up having serious emotion problems because she could not believe that her father could abuse her. Her father was then put on trial for abuse and lost a lot of friends because they believed he was an awful person. Later on, some newer studies showed that recent theories about dreams were incorrect. The theories that were incorrect were the theories that the professional was using to determine if the client was abused. It is possible that the nervous system can hold information that because of the long term memory. Over time, the encoding that mind did so long ago could have been distorted because over time the mind let the information go. While in storage, the images in her mind could have been changed. Granted, the dream she has been having is not even a part of her childhood at all, but just a form of nightmare that she has been having for a long time. She could have seen a movie or something that has caused her to have these bad dreams. The professional thought what she was doing is right, but when she learned that what she did was wrong, she should have done something to correct her mistake instead of letting the father go to trial.
Memory, long term memory, encoding
Psych
October 7, 2014
Recovered memory
This one in particular made me feel a little uneasy. I have had a mildly rough childhood. There are many aspects of it that have not been explained to me. So, learning about memory retrieval and what not makes me a little nervous.
As far as the points made in the show about recovered memory and encoding, i do believe that it is entirely valid. I believe there have been several studies on repressed memories. What interests me most is the concept of a fugue state. A fugue state being that you have absolutely no recollection of previous life or memories.
As far as the whole battle between whether or not it should be a valid practice or not, i believe is futile. As long as some people believe it and are willing to pay for it, it will continue to exist. Just as well, i don't see the point in putting effort to get it discredited. All kinds of pseudosciencey treatments exist, and will be hard to disprove. A waste of effort if you ask me.
Terms: encoding, retrieval, memory, revovery
This radio blog post was about recovered memory. This was a process of placing blame of a patients mental problem on a past traumatic act that either they didn’t remember or didn’t actually happen. They found that by practicing this on psychological patients, they actually caused more harm than good. Over time, they decided to quit using this medical practice because of the future psychological risks that it entails. This radio blog post shares different people’s stories that have been victims of this abuse.
In the first story, the young girl named Beth. Her parents decided on taking her to a psychiatrist because she was just feeling in a sense, blank. At Beth’s first visit, they had some extra time left. Her psychiatrist asked her about anything strange going on in her life or if there was anything that she wanted to talk about. Beth brought up these night terrors that she had been having about her father chasing her with bears. The psychiatrist then asked her if she is being or was sexually abused at home. Even though Beth had said no, the psychiatrist kept at this theory. The psychiatrist stated that it was possible that her dad had molested her and she may not even remember it. Her psychiatrist even said that when her parents encouraged her to do well in school, it was because they felt guilty for what they had done to her. After a lot of persistence, Beth’s psychiatrist successfully convinced her that Beth had been molested by her father and she just didn’t remember it.
Beth never really questioned her psychiatrist. She just thought since she was educated, then she must really know things on memory, long term and short term memory, dreams, her thoughts, retrieval and her perception. Beth’s mother didn’t even know that she was reinforcing what they psychiatrist was saying when she would simply comfort her. This didn’t just affect Beth, but it made her father go through a living hell as well. Believing horrible things about family members was one of the most horrific side effects of this psychiatric practice.
After listening to this video, it made me question some psychiatrists and their practices. It amazes me that they really used a practice that never really had good, valid proof of the outcomes of this practice. It’s really messed up that these psychiatrist actually pursued these cases even though they probably knew that it was not ethical to continue these practices. In a way, it makes me never want to go to a psychiatrist in fear that they might try to pursue a strange practice on me. I’m glad that they have discontinued this practice for the sake of humanity. During the time that the practice of recovered memory, it affected tons of individuals and their families. I just hope that they got their lives back on the track that they needed to be on.
Terms: recovered memory, memory, long term and short term memory, dreams, her thoughts, retrieval and perception.
While I was listening to this radio show, I felt very heavyhearted. I felt so incredibly sorry for the families who had to go through such a traumatic experience. I have never been to a therapist, although I know several people who have. I’ve always been curious to know what goes on inside of a therapy room, but after listening to this episode, I don’t think that I would be interested in being inside one. I understand that not all therapy is like this, and I know that therapy can often times be very helpful for someone. I have seen first hand, very good things come from therapy. My best friend lost her boyfriend six months ago. He was also a good friend of mine, and it was a very devastating time for my entire community, including my friends and I. We all considered going to group therapy together, but decided against it. My best friend, who was dating him, thought it would help her to talk to a stranger, and decided to go for it. Ever since she has been seeing a therapist, I have noticed dramatic changes in her attitude and outlook. Her boyfriend passed away after being hit by a car, and she had a lot of anger built up towards the person who had hit him. After she began therapy I could see her starting to let go of the anger, and she began to talk about all of the good times she had with him. It was so good to see her finally letting go, and moving forward with her life. With all of that being said, it is obvious that therapy can be a very rewarding experience. Unfortunately, that was not the case with these people on this radio show. I can’t imagine going to therapy and coming out of it even more confused and depressed than before. I was almost a little bit angry when I was listening to these people tell their stories. I kept thinking to myself, “this isn’t right,” and it most definitely isn’t. Beth went to therapy because she felt stressed, and came out thinking that her father had sexually molested and done terrible, disgusting things to her. The consequences that came from this were astonishing. It completely ruined her relationship with her dad, he lost his job, they quickly began running out of money, and it humiliated their family. All of these horrible things happened to this family, and the repressed memories turned out to not even be real. I could hardly get through the parts where the father was talking without tearing up. I felt so terrible for him because he didn’t deserve any of this. In our textbook we learned about persistence, and how memories that are unwanted, are still there no matter how badly we don’t want them to be. This makes sense, because if something happened in your life and it was very traumatic, of course you aren’t going to want to remember it, but you cant always decide the things that you remember. Another thing in the chapter that has validity, in my opinion, is the idea of distortion. Distortion means that your memory can provide you with a less-than-accurate portrayal of events. The three things that go along with distortion are memory bias, flashbulb memories, and misattribution. Memory bias is when you change your memories over time so that we can make it match up with our current beliefs. Flashbulb memories are memories that are very vivid, and usually happen when something big and important happens. The last way distortion can happen in our memory is through misattribution, which means that we can often misremember certain circumstances that happened with a memory. You might not necessarily forget the whole event, just bits and parts. If I were to have more questions about this topic I would ask if there is any legitimate way to go about recovered memory therapy, and if these methods actually work for some people.
Terms: therapy, traumatic, repressed memories, distortion, memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, persistence
Listening to this episode of This American Life has made me somewhat weary about going to therapists. Don’t get me wrong, therapy can be a very great thing, and there is no doubt in my mind that therapists are very skilled workers. The story about what happened to Beth and what happened to her makes me weary because of what could happen to my mind. Beth pulled forward an untrue regressed memory about her childhood that changed her family’s life forever. I felt really bad for everyone in this situation. The therapist did not know the harm she was causing, and the family was unaware that this false recovered memory would tear their family apart. The therapist was just doing her job to the best of her ability, thinking she was helping patients to remembering details about their childhood; however, she was, unknowingly, ruining people’s families, and lives. One aspect dealing with memory that could potentially tie into this story is long-term storage. Long-term storage information that could be needed for use at a later time. After forcing Beth to think so hard about her childhood, and to learn about rape and child abuse, it seemed as if this memory had been stored in her long-term storage for so long that she had nearly forgotten about it. Beth was led to believe this memory was true, and why wouldn’t it be? Surely no one could come up with something so horrible. It is actually scary that a memory, even though the one in this care was false, can actually be deep down inside. In this case, the therapist required Beth to use retrieval cues such as reading about rape and sexual abuse dealing with children. This technique worked for her, even though it helped her come up with a false memory. I’m not sure whether or not I would support this type of therapy. There are definitely reasons why it could be good, but there are also reasons why it could be bad. This type of therapy could be beneficial in getting rid of bad nightmares by bringing up memories from the past. This type of therapy could be bad, though, because of the false memories, as we saw in Beth’s case. In conclusion, I wouldn’t encourage this type of treatment. Who knows if the memory someone comes up with is true or not? It sure would be stressful as a therapist to deal with these issues not knowing if they are true or not. Terms: regressed memory, long-term storage, retrieval cues
After listening to the This American Life: Recovered Memory episode, my thoughts of going to a psychiatrist for any reason has terrified me. We learned that Beth was experiencing some depression and her parents were very concerned and suggested to see a psychiatrist. This was because she was working as a student nurse in a cancer ward, seeing horrifying things on a daily basis. After several appointments with her psychiatrist, Linda, Beth seemed completely fine. At the end of one her appointments, Linda noticed there was still time to discuss other questions Beth may have. Beth was at first hesitant but, decided to share some freaky dreams she’s been having such as, her dad sending bears after her. Linda snatched this information and utilized it in order for Beth to have false repressed memories. Linda frequently asked Beth if she was sure that nothing sexually happened to her as a child and Beth was 100% positive there was nothing to share. The psychiatrist then explained that having these horrible dreams was her body’s way of coping with a trauma that had happened in Beth’s childhood. She dreamed more and Linda explained that they were flashbacks of what happened. Slowly, Beth began to believe everything Linda was saying. She was supposedly sexually abused as a child by her father. A technique Linda could’ve used was hypnosis and this would not bring back accurate memories. Beth’s father was accused of several things and lost most, if not all, of his dignity. This was an enormous stress on the whole family. Later in Beth’s life, she found out that she was a virgin. Beth’s memory was altered by her psychiatrist and her father was wrongly accused. Repressing memories reminds me of persistence but the only difference is that the psychiatrist was controlling the unwanted memories.
A topic covered in the episode and the book was long-term storage. Lots of memories are stored here but it is easy to manage forgetting a few. Something seen by an individual can cause them to remember an old memory. But during this remembering process, these memories can change slightly or drastically. This could be because of retroactive interference or proactive interference. This development of a changed memory is called distortion because it happens over time. I do believe that recovered memory has some validity depending on how deeply you think about it. We don’t want to think so deeply that we fall into a hypnotic state. This hypnotic state is usually altered by a psychiatrist though, making me believe that psychiatrists put zero validity behind repressed memories. This episode makes me feel sick to my stomach because it is surprising how much power a psychiatrist can have over an individual and this power can change their life forever. I don’t think I will see a psychiatrist for anything in my near future.
I do have a few questions about this movement. How much has the recovered memory movement evolved from the 1990’s to today? Secondly, do psychiatrists use their clients repressed memory in a negative way all the time? Finally, as a psychiatrist, wouldn’t you want to help a person with their problems instead of making them worse? Overall, this episode was covered a lot of quality information about memories and the altered state of mind.
Terms: Memory, Hypnosis, Distortion, Retroactive Interference, Proactive Interference, Long-Term Storage, Recovered Memory, Persistence, Forgetting
I always thought that psychology and therapy itself can never harm person's life. I was thinking that therapist is doctor who will try to help you with your mental problems. However I was shocked by this episode of This American Life radio show. It is an example how a person's life can turn into something horrible in a moment. Therapist's goal should be to help a patient not to destroy his life. People are hoping to find help. They think that therapist is professional who definitely know more about your mental health. However sometimes you should listen to your organism, who can know more. I have not heard about repressed memory, but now I know that is memories which had been blocked due to the memory being associated with a high level of stress or trauma. I believe that our organism cannot hurt itself, if these kind of memories have been blocked it means we do not need it and it is better for us to forget them. In contrast sometimes people are trying to forget some unwanted parts of their life which can be associated with extremely stressful episodes like after a traumatic experience. Persistence is the continual recurrence of unwanted memories from long term storage. Even there are some researches that on way to produce some drugs that will erase these kinds of experiences.
I know that a lot of people got help from their therapy; they could overcome their depressions or any other obstacles and threats of life. However this case of Beth Rutherford is an example when therapy destroyed almost perfect life of a normal student and her family. She went to therapist because she felt depressed but I think most of teenagers or young adults have temporal problems in school or with boy/girlfriends and so on. It is time when a person is trying to find himself and his place in the world. Of course it seems like they are huge problems, but later most of people laugh on them. Linda who was her therapist decided that she has repressed memories about child abused. The reason was only her dreams with father. I can't understand how she could decide only because she had dreams. It wasn't a psychological research or experiments on mousses or monkeys; it was a real human life for which she was responsible as her doctor. Sometimes they see diseases, disorders or child abuse as in this case everywhere. She just created false memories through her therapy, whereby ruined Beth's life and her family. It's hard to imagine her feelings when you were sure about your perfect childhood and now someone are saying that your father sexually abused you as a child. At the same time I can't even think about her father's feelings. It is very rare to see how man cries but in this situation is impossible to don't cry.
As I understood, the existence of repressed memory is controversial topic in psychology. Thus sometimes it can occur but I think the possibility is very small. In order to help people psychologists should study more and do more researchers to understand this process. I'm sure no one wants to harm someone's life. As I know from chapter our memories can be distorted. We think that you remember everything but usually human memory provides not really accurate portrayals of past events. So sometimes some distortion which is not accurate representation of the pat events can happens. Thus there is small possibility of existence repressed memory. It is a kind of amnesia when person cannot recall important personal information from the past, but usually it is due to brain injury. I think memories like child abuse it is hard to forget even it is extremely stress for child and usually it will influenced on future life. In my opinion memories which recovered under hypnosis is usually false, because people under hypnosis are responding to suggestions.
Because we have only one case of recovered memory, are there any examples of positive outcomes from this process? How now psychologists think about creating "false memories"? At the beginning of the studying recovered memory how psychologists created this hypothesis and what was evidence to use this method? If its controversial topic why some psychologists are still using it?
Terms used: memory, dreams, recovered memory, case of Beth Rutherford, psychological research, distortion, amnesia, hypnosis, false memories, persistence, long term storage.
After listening to this episode of This American Life, I feel as if I never want to go to a therapist, even if I needed to. These therapists in the show made their clients think that their problems that they were presently having were because of some tragic event that happened in their childhood that they weren’t able to remember. This was regarded as the Recovered Memory movement. I couldn’t imagine going to a therapists thinking I had the best childhood, then them telling me something tragic probably happened during that time, when it simply didn’t. I couldn’t imagine not talking to my parents because a memory, the therapist put in my head, that didn’t happen. The American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association both agreed these cases are rare and that treatment should be viewed with skepticism. Through all of this it seems as if these therapists weren’t creating solutions at all.
The book talks about long-term storage, which is where some information may be forgotten. People may be able to remember that forgotten information by certain experiences that trigger that old memory. This is very similar to repressed memory. The book also talks about how our memories can be distorted or flawed. It has been shown that human memory provides less than accurate portrayals of past events. Distortion happens in the memory in four ways, memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, and suggestibility. The changing of memories over time so that they become consistent with our current beliefs or attitudes is memory bias. It’s crazy how our minds can make us believe something different happened then what actually happened.
The questions I have about the Recovered Memory movement are why would these therapists push these people into thinking something like this happened in their lives? What as the purpose in doing all of that? Were they really trying to help or were they just trying to get more money? Did they know what they were doing to these people, or did they have no idea what else to do? After all of this I never want to go to a therapists. I feel as if they wouldn’t really be there to try to help me with whatever is going on.
Terms: Recovered Memory movement, long-term storage, repressed memory, distortion, memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, suggestibility
In this episode of An American Life, the simple question was asked “How can it happen?” The girl in the story had some severe depression and her parents decided to make her go see a therapist. Beth talked about her dreams where she would have nightmares where her dad would be after her. The therapist then asked if there had been any sexual abuse by her father, and the girl said no. Then the girl went home and thought about it because the therapist told her to think on it. On the third appointment, the therapist explained that it was possible to forget these things that are so traumatic because its the bodies way of coping. It took 18 months for beth to realize that she had been sexually abused. Beth’s therapists picked some books to try and jog Beth’s memory and it caused her to have vivid dreams. Beth’s therapist then told her that these were not dreams, but that they were actually memories. This therapy was called recovered memory therapy. Forgetting bad memories is called repression. This problem with this process is that it didn't always recall accurate memory. It can create details that didn't actually happen through processes of hypnosis and guided imagery. I’m not sure how I feel about this article because it is kind of scary how our brain can do such a crazy and complex thing. I have been to a therapist for treatment with depression, and I didn't think that it was beneficial to me at all. This episode reaffirms by opinions because the therapists in this episode guide their patients to recall things that didn't actually happen in real life. One thing that I thought was interesting was that our memories can be distorted or flawed. This puts patients in a state of shock and they are horrified by the events that they thought actually happened. A couple questions that I have about recovered is: How do therapists know if they think that someone has some memories that they think that they forget? My other question is Why do therapists still wok with dealing with these recovered memory if it doesn't always prove to be accurate? I was basically just saddened when I was listening to this episode because of the part where Beth’s father was talking because he knew that he did no harm, but his daughter was now terrified of him because of what the therapists did. I don't think that all therapists are bad, I think it just depends on what you need therapy for because in this situation, Beth’s depression had nothing to do with her “recovering” memories, but it had some deeper more complex problem that has nothing to do with memories that never actually happened and in the long run she didn't get the help that she sought to find.
Some psychological terms that I used were depression, recovered memory therapy, dreams, repression, guided imagery, hypnosis
While listening to this episode, I was shocked by what I was hearing. Beth’s story really made me feel sad. Beth was struggling with depression while working in the hospital, so she decided to go to see a therapist. Her first visit went very well and she made a follow up appointment. During her second visit Beth brought up a dream she had been having about her dad chasing her. The therapist went on to tell Beth that these were flashbacks not dreams. Beth did not believe it at first, but went on to avoid her family and keep herself in her room. I felt sad that the therapist’s actions had such a negative impact on Beth’s life. This therapist tore Beth apart by making her believe that her father had abused her during her childhood. Beth started doubting everything about her childhood. The actions of the therapist stole all of Beth’s security and made turned her into a different person.
Doctors confirmed that Beth had never been abused, but it was after all of the damage had been done to both Beth and her family. Beth began having vivid memories of what she had been made to believe had happened to her. I felt terrible for Beth and her family because they were all innocent victims of the actions of the therapist. I couldn’t believe that all this had happened, based on supposition and made up facts. It made me feel better that Beth had moved on and had stopped seeing the therapist. Beth’s progress in moving on, made me believe that it is possible for people in similar situations to make similar progress and get past experience.
From what I have learned from the textbook about memories, memories can be accessed in four different ways: retrieval cues, forgetting, persistence and distortion. I mostly connected this talk show about distortion. From the reading we know distortion is not a perfectly accurate representation of the past, but is flawed. This is something that we can see in everyday life as we try to recall the past. We remember things but not as clearly or as specifically as we would like. Recovered memory is when a memory is forgotten due to a traumatic event but then is recovered many years later. This process makes sense to me, because I believe when you experience something tragic, you try your best to forget about it. Years later something can come up and remind you of the prior event and bring back those memories. This relates to the talk show because the therapist was so persistent that Beth was abused, that Beth started to believe it. Beth believed she had lost these tragic memories but the therapist helped her recover them. Even though Beth at first had no vivid memories, the therapist was so good at what she did that Beth started coming up with distorted memories.
I have a few questions about recovered memory. Why would a therapist try so hard to have people try to remember these tragic events? Do they do it for their business so they will continue to come back and get help, which means more money for them? Or, is it really to try and help their clients?
Vocab: Retrieval Cues, Forgetting, Persistence, Distortion, Recovered Memory
After listening to people trying to remember events that may have not even been there seemed to be a larger amount of problems that had new problems that may have not been there. This happened many times to patients of therapists and because of the trust that many of them had they did not really have any reason to not believe the new memories that they had in their mind. This type of memory recollection seemed to cause many problems with the type of patients and made many of those patients remember things that never happened to them. The strength of suggestion on some of the patients that these therapists had when talking to them actually altered their memory enough that they were able to come up with “new” memories that may have never happened.
During the program they would talk about how dreams would not actually be “dreams” in a sense but instead would be flashbacks to parts of their earlier life and would use that as a basis of the memory recollection for their patients and this would start the cycle of creating these new memories. I believe that these therapists were delving too much into the ideas of dreams being memories and because of this they were skewing the actual memories that they had in their lives. Many of the problems seemed to come from the therapist agreeing with everything they were told, because of this they would reinforce the ideas that they were telling their therapist actual repressed memories because of their training to believe what they are told from their clients. With this kind of reinforcement coming from their therapists many believed even more in the ideas that they were coming up within their minds and these ideas would come out to full-fledged “memories” of their past that they had repressed.
I am glad that for many of these families that may have been damaged because of these types of memory retrieval have been able to find help services so that they can try to mend the problems that had come out of this. With the amount of people who “remembered” some repressed memories it caused major problems with families who believed that they were abuse when they were younger, this type of damage can cause family problems for the rest of their lives and unless helped they may never get over it enough to be a fully functioning family again.
Terms: Repressed memories, recollection, suggestion
Before watching this video I thought it was going to be a bunch of doctors and psychologists talking about recovered memory and process of how it’s done. Well jokes on me because, plot twist, it was this tragic story of how a family’s life was ruined because a therapist guided the daughter into false repressed memories. This episode left me feeling sad a confused. I felt horrible to the family and all the other families that were affected by this ‘falsely recovered memories epidemic.’ When listening to how thousands of patients were affected and led to believe that many recalled false, vivid, and detailed memories I was horrified. I understand that the therapist’s were doing their job and were taught to believe and to never doubt the patient, but at some point someone had to realize that the “memories” were getting out of hand and had to be completely false, especially if thousands and thousands of patients were all recovery memoires from satanic rituals, sacrificing, and murders. The power of suggestion was very influential during this time when it came to recovering these “memories.” I also didn’t understand how a therapist could take little things from person’s everyday life and turn it into some huge problem such as child abuse and so on. Just because some patients showed one or a few symptoms, doesn’t mean that they were abused when they were younger or there was some horrible, tragic event that happened to them. There are some things about revered memory that do make sense though. When it comes to tragic events, I believe that memories can be repressed, it’s like the brain is protecting itself, your conscious and unconscious mind work together so you don’t remember things that will scare you in the future. I also think that so dreams are repressed memories that you remember while you’re sleeping. There are some questions that I still have about recovered memory. One was why did people not realize sooner about all these crazy and false memories? What are safe and effect steps that can be taken in order to recover false memories? One thing that should be done though if it were to be used with a patient, make sure to inform them about all that will happen and walk them through the procedure.
Terms: psychologist, recovered memories, suggestion, conscious, unconscious
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As someone who has been seeing a therapist for a few years this episode made me feel very uneasy. Although I strongly believe that therapy was very helpful in my recovery, maybe it is not for everyone. I cannot imagine seeing a therapist and it doing more harm then good. I’m glad that individuals finally began questioning this idea of recovering memories. It was clear to me that the problem was that therapists were trying to be the “hero” towards their patient. I cannot blame anybody in particular. It makes perfect sense for a therapist to try to help their patients by using ideas of recovered memory. At this time nobody had been questioning this idea. Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here. Always do your research. It upset me that this led Beth to develop an eating disorder, and to have trouble sleeping. The hardest moment in this episode for me was the moment where Beth is describing in tears what it was like to sit there and listen to what her father had “done”. She said it was similar to listening to your whole life fall apart. I feel especially bad for Tom, the father of Beth who was falsely accused of sexual assault. He lost his job, lost many close friends, and had intense thoughts of suicide. “I would play my music so loud that I couldn’t hear my own thoughts” he cried. He was also publicly humiliated in court. When he would see people whom he knew they would look at him in complete disgust.
There are still many aspects of recovered memory that I think still have validity. Long-term memory is easily altered and changed. I think that it is possible to completely forget a traumatic event. Repression is a way that your body can cope with the event. This could possibly happen through reconsolidation of memories, although it seems that this theory only seems to alter the memory. Altering memory is exactly what happened in Beth’s case. She took these simple nightmares, which probably did not have much significance at all, and converted them into a false memory of being abused by her father. “A half teaspoon turned into a three tiered cake.” Her dreams began becoming more vivid, probably from overthinking about what could have happened. Her therapist then falsely told her, “These are flashbacks, not dreams.” It took 18 months to get to a point where she firmly believed that her father had abused her.
I still have some questions about recovered memory and the recovered memory movement. How did this theory come about and how did it present itself in such a way that therapists believed that it was valid to use on their own patients? What theories are there today that are similar to recovered memory in a way where there is not an abundance of data? Do some therapists still turn to recovered memory to help patients? What data is there to prove that recovered memory is a logical and moral theory to use on struggling patients?
Psychological Terms: Recovered memory, repression, reconsolidation, long-term memory, forgetting.
After listening to this episode I could not believe the stories I heard and what people went through. Listening to this talk shows makes me very skeptical of psychologist and if I ever had a major problem in my life I would not even want to consider going to see a psychologist. Although I believe in all the research and theories psychologist have done this makes me question it and I believe psychology still has a long way to go before it has fully developed as a science. Also, listening to how they talked about repressed memories really interested me but the thought they you may not know what happened in the past of your life is quite disturbing. I could not imagine having someone tell me that what I thought happened to me in the past was false and that someone may have actually caused me harm could be real. Also, I think I would have a difficult time trying to remember these memories and believing them. Since this has happened to many people I can not even imagine the pain they went through and Beth’s father crying is an example of that. What these families have to go through and decide what to believe must be terrifying.
Knowing what I have learned from the textbook, I know that people can block their memories or even distort them. When a person distorts a memory it means that they do not have a perfect representation of what has happened in the past. Therefore, I think Beth experienced memory bias which is when a person changes their memories over time so that they can become consistent with their current beliefs or attitudes. Because Beth’s psychologist kept asking her if she was sure she was not abused it made her think more if she was and I think she started to make up memories. So although I think people do repress their memories and can recover them I think this needs to be done carefully and not done in the psychology world unless there is no other diagnosis.
After learning all about recovered memories and how many psychologists found it to be wrong why do some continue you to use this process? Also, I would love to learn new information about recovered memories but how would they do this because of not knowing who to trust?
Key Words: distort, memory, memory bias
This episode was almost disturbing for me to listen to, because it just is very odd that someone could be led to believe this memories that had never actually happened to them. In the beginning when Beth first started to talk about her past, and being 100% sure that she hadn’t been abused as child and that the therapist almost didn’t believe her that she could be telling the truth. This is the part that I have a hard time believing, because, Linda Ross, the other therapist stated that it was almost a sin for a psychiatrist to not believe their patient when they told them about their abuse. Yet, when it comes to the Beth talking about how she knows that she wasn’t abused as a child her therapist doesn’t believe her and encourages her to dig deeper and deeper into her mind to try and find something that isn’t even there. It also surprised me that these therapist could believe that there were so many people that dealt with satanic rituals, because I have a hard time looking at humanity and thinking that there are that many people who perform messed up rituals like that. According to our book your mind is able to forget some of your explicit memories in order to make room for new memories. So, while it is very believable that you are able to forget something that happened in your childhood something of that magnitude I feel would be very hard to repress. These therapist also should have been listening to these stories knowing that they may not be entirely true, because when recalling explicit memories you are at the mercy of how that memory was perceived by the patient and it could be not an entirely accurate account of what happened. Obviously in some cases they may have actually been dealing with people who had been sexually abused so they should still take the stories very seriously. They also should have realized that some of the stories may need to involve some more interpretation. The main thing I would still have questions about is that if this process of recovered memory has been shown to be faulty, why do they still allow it to happen? And in the case of the person who had their psychiatry license revoked, how can it be legal for them to continue doing this sort of thing just under a different title? This process obviously isn’t helping these patients get over anything, if anything it’s making them worse. It doesn't make much sense that this sort of practice should even be allowed to happen at all.
Terms: Explicit memory, Memory,
Hearing this audio made me feel a certain way about therapists and if they even really work. From the sounds of things it seems as if the therapy sessions that each person was having was doing them more harm than anything. Therapists are supposed to help you in anyway possible but I felt like after listening to this they didn't help any of their clients but made their situations worse. They caused them a lot of grief. The therapists on the show tried to make their clients dreams into reality when sometimes a dream is just a dream. The definition of dream is "products of consciousness during sleep in which a person confuses images and fantasies with reality". I know some of the things that I dream are fantasies and I don't need a therapists to tell me that it might be true because I know its not. Memory bias is what the therapists was trying to say that Beth really was doing. Trying to change past memories that she thought happened to her to fit Beth's current beliefs and that those memories had been stored in her short-term memory.
When Beth had that one dream about her and her dad getting into an altercation and her dad coming after her and sending bears after her the therapist automatically jumped to a conclusion that she didn't know was true. After telling Beth that the dream had to do with her father sexually abusing her then Beth started to have even more dreams about a child getting abused and assumed that it was her. Beth started to believe her because she couldn't remember anything but she thought that she must have been having those dreams for a reason. I do not think there is any validity of recovered memory when it comes from a therapist because they try to make you remember things that never happened. The whole situation with Beth and believing that her father had sexually abused her as a child ruined her relationship with her father and even ruined her fathers life by making him lose his job.
Sometimes we can forget some memories that are stored in our long-term storage memory. Which was mentioned while listening to the tape. I do think that memory can be recovered but only to a certain extent. If memory was try to be recovered I think that being bias or trying to make someone remember something that never happened would be the downfall to all of that. There could have been some truth to Beth's dream but it doesn't mean that it happened at that point in time, in that place, or with that person. This is called misattribution, which occurs when someone misremembers the time, place and person that the memory is involved with. Overall, my only question would be is there a better way that psychologists are coming up with to try to recover memory? other than the technique that the therapists used? my next question would be did the therapists know what they were doing or were they clueless as well and really believed that people like Beth were truly sexually abused by their fathers?
Term: Dream, Recovered Memory, Misattribution, Memory Bias, Long-term memory, Short-term memory
I do not dream regularly, but I thought the concept that dreams could just be repressed memories was extremely fascinating. The conscious mind would erase all the memory of a traumatic event, but the subconscious still remembered it. And because of this, it only seemed like a random dream/nightmare the individual. It is not widely believed, but years ago, it was believed to be true. The psychologist would many times convince the patient that they were abused as a child. They would do this by saying that the reason you cannot remember the experiences is because you have blocked them out of your memory, and from there the patient would slowly be drawn into the idea that they were abused. The patient and psychologist had a weird connection. They both responded with feedback that strengthened the beliefs that may or may not have been wrong. It was tearing the patient apart because they brought back false bad memories. It made me kind of sad because of the story that was being told, but at the same time I was interested and doubted the whole story that was coming from her “memories.” I think that it has some validity, but only to an extent. If there is something so traumatic such as child abuse, I do not believe it would be possible to forget that. In a different way of explaining it, I would compare that to Super Bowl MVP forgetting that he had won (this is without other mental factors such as alzheimer's or a concussion that would cause one to forget things). I do not find it valid to believe that. However, I do believe it is possible to repress thoughts through practice, but nothing as big as being abused for an extended period of time like the person in the story described.
How do you determine what memories are real and what is not? The brain can be tricked into believing things as dogs were tricked into drooling at the sight of the can opener. This is just a stimuli. A similar idea is hypnotism. An individual will not do something they do not want to do, but they are tricked into believing certian things are real such as a dance off.
Terms: conscious, dreams, mind, subconscious, psychologist, alzheimer’s, concussion, memories, stimuli, hypnotism.
This episode was definitely the most interesting to me. Mostly, this episode made me very angry. I had severe separation anxiety as a child, and had to go to therapy sessions because of it several times. I have always believed that it helped me overcome my problems, so I was appalled to hear the stories of these people. This episode really shows how influential people can be. It was brought up in the episode that many therapists who followed the Recovered Memory Movement because that is what they were trained to do; they were under the impression that this theory had to be true and that it was highly researched. They did not intend to ruin their patient’s lives, they were just doing what they had been trained to do. One thing that bothers me from this episode is Beth’s therapist telling her that her strange dreams of her father coming after her meant that he had sexually abused her and she just did not remember it. In a previous chapter of our textbook, it was mentioned that dreams had in REM sleep are, to say the least, “out there” and are very abstract and just plain weird. These particular dreams do not particularly mean anything; they are just weird. The dreams had during non-REM sleep deal with everyday life situations. The belief that dreams have hidden meaning, or latent content, is a Freudian concept, and we all know that Freud’s theories have little to no scientific support, meaning that his theories are not very accurate. Her therapist convincing her that her dad molested her just based on her dreams made me seriously question the education of therapists. As discussed in the memory chapter, our memories are highly susceptible to suggestion, meaning, our memories change based on what we are told, what we experience, etc. With that being said, Beth’s therapist telling her all of these things consistently made her subconsciously change her memories to match what she was being told. Because therapists are highly trained and seemingly know what they are doing, it made Beth even more likely to believe her, rather than her own memories. Really the only aspect of memory that I can think of that would help the recovered memory theory make sense, at least to me, are long-term memory and retrieval cues. As the book says, long-term memory is basically unlimited, so everything we have ever experienced is in there somewhere. All of the things stored in our long-term memory are obviously not all brought to consciousness at once all the time; that would be way too much for us to handle. This is where retrieval cues come in. Retrieval cues are anything that helps a certain stored memory come into consciousness. While a therapist is working with a patient to try to recover repressed memories, a certain word, experience, etc. could be brought up (or suggested) that “makes” the patient “remember” a certain repressed memory. But again, this only makes sense out of suggestion; other than that, I do not really believe that this theory is valid. The only question I really have about this subject is why did people think that this was a legitimate thing? I mean, I know they didn’t really know better, but still. It’s just so silly to me that they actually thought it was real.
Terms used: separation anxiety, therapy, recovered memory movement, REM sleep, dreams, latent content, memory, suggestibility, long-term memory, retrieval cues, consciousness, repressed memories, stored memories
This episode was very heavy and it is tough to listen too. I had feelings of remorse, guilt, sorrow; and many of these feelings are just my empathetic way of relating to these people. Everyone around us faces their own trials and tribulations and it makes you ponder about what is real or “valid” in your life. I have never heard of repressed memories being false. I believe that it happens and I believe that people have true repressed memories, but I have never heard it in this context before. I already have a big spot in my heart for these types of situations, but it is hard to hear that almost everyone in Beth’s situation was affected in a poor way. I find this topic to be so hard to dissect because memories are hard to validate and don’t give us concrete evidence of events which is stated in the book. From what I know about memories and what the book has conveyed to me is that memory and learning are a very personal subject and everyone processes things differently. One connection that I can make is that there are some experiences or learned ideas that people can and forget, but then when these ideas are presented again someone may pickup back on these ideas. This ties into our learning chapter and classical conditioning. This is why I think there is some validity to repressed memories. Although we have not yet talked about psychological disorders and the way the brain works in that sort of setting, chapter seven in the book talks about how some people may loose older memories due to new, or may have trouble memorizing new things because of old memories. This could have some sort of validity in it as well and could present problems or issues or repressed memories. I have a lot of questions about repressed memories and I can see both sides when it comes to the Recovered Memory Movement. I could see how someone could repress these events that are traumatic and it is a way coping. Along with that last statement, I feel I am a generally empathetic/sympathetic person and if someone were to tell me things that they believe were true, my initial reaction would be to support and believe them. On the other side of the spectrum I can see psychologist and/or people making sense out of these initial feelings of depression or anxiety or whatever the trigger may be, and try to give them some deep meaning that connects back to childhood. I feel like there are so many perspectives and I feel like there doesn’t always have to be a psychologist involved. I feel like we live in a culture where if someone is depressed or has some sort of mental block, we feel the need to relate it back to some “deep” and traumatic experiences where that may not always apply. So I believe people may be seeking out these meanings by themselves and may be false. There are so many thoughts running in my mind about this subject that it is hard to pinpoint exactly how I feel about the issue, but I believe there is validity to repressed memories, but also may have been taken to extremes that have caused issues.
Terms: empathetic, sympathetic, psychological disorders, classical conditioning, old memory, new memory,
This episode made me feel very uneasy about therapy. I personally have gone to therapy and thought it was very beneficial. But I only went to therapy to vent about my issues at home. I wasn’t confused about something, I knew what I felt and just needed to let these emotions out. But with the therapy that’s discussed in the show, it’s used by people who feel as if they need guidance or help. When listening to Beth’s story I was so appalled by what she went through. Here’s this girl who had a great relationship with her parents and was happy. Fast forward about a month and now she has these distorted memories and she’s afraid of her parents and convinced that her father inappropriately touched her all because of her therapist. Now I understand the therapist’s point of view. She was simply trying to help Beth and didn’t know for sure if she had been sexually assaulted or not. As I continued to listen, I was shocked to hear how Beth swore she was sexually assaulted and had an abortion. She even went to the doctor where she was told that she’s still a virgin and that there was no possibly way she could have been sexually assaulted. She began to go into a severe depression. She barely ate, slept, or socialized. Her therapist thought that all of this was a result of her stored memories or her implicit memories. I couldn't believe how this therapist was persisting Beth until she disclosed the information she wanted to hear.
After reading about memory in the book and then listening to the idea of recovered memory, I believe it has some validity to it. The textbook talks about how memories can be distorted. There’s a possibility that Beth had a memory of her and her father innocently lying in bed watching a movie, but her therapist distorted the memory by implying that because they were lying in bed together, sexual assault occurred.
I find the recovered memory movement to be ridiculous. It’s fascinating to see how people can be “brainwashed” into these memories. They’re forced to have these memories engraved into their brains. But I don’t believe it’s the therapists fault completely. Back then, therapists were told to support their clients and listen to their problems. How could they possibly know what was true and not true? All they were trying to do was help their patients. Abuse is not something that should be taken lightly. Abuse had been happening frequently, which made therapists on high alert for people who had been abused. They thought that if someone was having an issue, then sexual assault was likely. I don’t blame the professionals entirely. Some of them were just trying to help. But this recovered memory movement is not something I approve of. The retrieval of memories shouldn’t be forced.
Psychological terms I used were memory, retrieval, implicit memory, forgetting, persistence, distortion, and recovered memory.
Before listening to this episode of This American Life I never thought of a therapist as a person who would do harm to you. But after listening to this I think a little bit differently. I am fortunate enough that I have never had to go to a therapist. I no that therapy is helpful for a lot of people, but after listening to this I am very hesitant about this practice. I couldn’t imagine my life as Beth. To go through such a traumatic event in your life would take such a toll on your health. Depression hit her extremely hard so you would think a therapist would be there to help her out and not destroy her entire life, but she had to go about this the hard way. At Beth’s first visit the women allowed her to talk about her experiences in a way that made her feel better. On her next visit though they ran out of things to discuss and she had a little bit of extra time left over. The therapist asked her if there was anything else she wanted to talk about and there wasn’t much expect for her weird dreaming habits lately. This is where she talks about her dad being in her dreams and from there on things go down hill. Beth was sure nothing bad with her father happened when she was a child. She was positive of her memories at the time. The women kept pushing this theory of her father abusing her into her mind. And she eventually came to believe it. This episode made me feel a little weird. It made me wander a lot of things. Like what if that was me and my selective attention allowed me to forget a stored memory? I really don’t understand this concept. Repressed memories are memories that have been unconsciously blocked due to the level of stress or trauma a person takes on. I just don’t get that if you stress so much over a memory you can just pretend it never happened and forget it. I really can’t wrap my brain around this concept. One thing I knew previously but caught my attention again was the idea that memories change. When memories are in long-term storage and they keep getting brought up they are more subject to change. This can be a major problem in our world today. Going back to what I previously no, what the book says, and from the help of Law and Order SVU, when people bring up traumatic events that occur in their lives they are influenced by other people on what they should say and there memory of what truly happens becomes distorted. They are not really sure what to believe anymore. This idea in our justice systems today is also related to change blindness. Like how are we supposed to believe an eyewitness when we no that change blindness occurs? Research on this error showed that a person fails to notice that the person she was talking with has been replaced with a new person. This being said eyewitness testimony depends on paying attention to the incident when it happens, rather than after it happens so that you have a lasting memory of it allowing you to be able to retrieve it later. The psychological terms that I used were depression, therapy, dreaming, memory, theory, selective attention, repressed memories, long-term storage, unconsciously, forget, distortion, change blindness, retrieval.
Listening to this episode gave me a very strong opinion on therapists, and actually made me kind of angry. It was sad how many people were so negatively effected by the “recover memory movement” before therapists and psychologists realized it really didn’t help and it was actually false memories. The beginning of this episode where they talked about the car really connected all of the stories together for me. When they asked a mechanic how many mechanics he thinks are actually truthful and do not try to rip you off, he answered less than 50% are actually truthful. This made me angry as well; we go to mechanics for help because we do not know how to fix something, and we trust them and in all reality they either make it worse so you come back and they get more money or lie to you and many other untruthful processes. Which when you think about it is pretty messed up.
So then they started telling the story of Beth who worked in a cancer ward and was around sad/traumatic situations everyday and she was feeling depressed; and she started to go to a therapists. The first therapy session was very production, Beth shared her feelings and it actually made her feel much better about the situation. Beth was told to come back for a follow up appointment just to make sure everything was going to be okay, and at her follow up appointment they had a extra time so the therapist asked if there was anything else she wanted to talk about. Beth wanted to use her time since she was paying for it anyways; so she mentioned dreams that she often had. Her dreams were always her dad coming after her, but she explained to her therapists that her and her father had a very good relationship. This is when the therapy starts to go wrong, and which made me very skeptical. The therapists had Beth think about her childhood and see if she remembered her dad ever touching her inappropriately, and no Beth was very sure that nothing happened. Her therapist kept putting the idea into Beth’s head that something traumatic can happen and you will not remember it all because that is the way your brain coped with the situation, so she started to avoid her family and started believing her therapist. I was surprised when this was brought up; that something so traumatic such as rape, witnessing a murder, catabolism etc would just be forgotten. Normally traumatic situations are so deeply engraved into the mind that people have troubles forgetting them ever. Then she was given books to read, which made he dream more and was told these dreams were actually flashbacks. She then began the “recover memory process” where her therapist would have her relax and then describe her child hood, and this eventually put her in a hypnotic stage. She had told her therapist a very vivid description about an inappropriate time with her father, in great detail, but she did not remember saying any of it. Beth shared what a horrific time this was; hearing these words read to her and thinking her childhood was a lie, it wasn’t great, and her world came crashing down. Beth went to a clinic and found that she was actually a virgin, she these vivid memories could not be true. Beth was so confused and depressed about her life now again she stopped eating and lost 80 pounds. She began to deteriorate. The therapist still dug for more memories, making Beth worse and worse.
I thought the part where they said it is common to have a traumatic incident happen to you, but not be able to recall it at all was very skeptical for me. We have learned that traumatic situations normally have a negative effect on people psychologically and they have troubles being able to ever forget these images. After listening to this episode I have many questions; did the therapists feel bad for all of the pain they put these patients through? Were the charged legally with anything? My main question is did these patients go back to another therapists after they had to deal with the “recover memory movement”? I think it would be tough decision, if you could not get over what you had just experienced and needed help, would you want to go back to a therapists after being lied to and made worse than before?
Terms used: Memory, Recover Memory Movement, Psychology, Therapist, Dream, Hypnotic State
This episode was very shocking and random. This made me feel disgusted as well. The whole topic of recovered memory I though was going to be a good thing and very exciting but the audio changed my though quickly. My feeling started to show when they started talking about Beth at age 19 be depressed. Because she was depressed she was stressed her parent thought that taking her to a therapist would be a great idea for her but what they didn’t know is that it all was going to back fire so randomly. This episode made my mind go crazy because of how fast everything happened. During this episode I really had a dislike for Linda because she basically made Beth repress her memory in a hypnotic state that was not even a part of Beth’s life in the first place for almost 3 years. This made Beth avoid her family. This episode also gave me new knowledge like before the 1970 when women would say they were sexually assaulted with they were younger was called Psychology Fantasy. From what I have read in the book and listened to on the website there are elements of recovered memory that make since such as the repress part of it meaning bringing back what your brain though wasn’t important or you’ve just forgotten and bringing it back. My question about recovered memory is why therapists make their clients go through making up stories and act upon them.
Terms: Repress, Psychology Fantasy, Recovered Memory, Therapist, Hypnotic State
This episode made me feel that going to a therapist is a bad idea. Personally, when I hear the word therapist I normally think of a person who is there to listen to your problems and give you advice on what you can do. The therapist in the episode did listen to the client, but then kept asking if there was anything else the client wanted to talk about. When the client first responded that there wasn’t anything else to talk about, the therapist asked “are you sure?” Personally, if someone asked me this after I said I didn’t want to talk about anything else I would be very upset. I would feel like the therapist was trying to say I couldn’t make up my mind. This episode also made me not want to go to a therapist ever in my life. A person who needs to talk to a therapist wants to feel like they can trust them. They want to be able to explain why they feel certain things and how they are doing on a day to day basis. I did not know that it was possible for therapist to make people have a memory that never existed in their life before. Now that I know it is possible, I wonder how many people have had this happen to them. If this happened to me, I would not know what to do. Beth’s experience made me feel disgusted. The therapist kept trying to convince her that her parents had abused her as a child and that she forgot about it until she mentioned the dreams she was having. After a few of their appointments, Beth locked herself up in her room. If this happened to me I would not know how to talk to my parents about it. I would be so scared to even mention it. I hope that if I ever need to see a therapist, this does not happen to me.
In the chapter we learned about short-term and long term-storage. Short-term storage is a system that briefly holds a limited amount of information in awareness while long-term storage is a system that allows relatively permanent storage with an unlimited amount of information. Long-term storage is why we can remember nursery rhymes from our childhood. Every piece of information in long-term storage is organized in a special way in our brains. The way the information is stored is through a system known as networks of associations. A piece of information has certain features that are linked in such a way that identifies them. If one node, or also known as a unit of information, is activated, chances are that closely linked nodes will also activate. Our memory consists on a wide variety of information. When we are asked to recall on a memory from long ago, we search for the memory very quickly in our long-term storage. If Beth was really abused by her parents, I feel like she could have remembered the memory. I know that if I had been abused as a child, I would not be able to forget about it, although I would wish I could. There really is no evidence about recovered memory that makes sense.
After listening to the episode I do have a few questions about recovered memory. If you have a memory that happened a long time ago is there ways that you can forget that memory ever happened? Why do some therapists use recovered memory? What is the purpose of it? Can recovered memory have a positive effect on your life? Some other questions that I have deal with what happens to a therapist after making clients believe something happened to them when they were younger when it actually didn’t. Who decides the punishment a therapist receives after a recovered memory? Do people stop going to see other therapists all together after having a recovered memory that never happened? It would be really interesting to see how many people would actually go to therapists after listening to this episode. I bet after this episode happened, therapists stopped getting a lot of clients for fear that they would be forced to remember things that never happened to them.
Terms: short-term storage, long-term storage, networks of association
Cassandra Rutledge
Recovered Memory
10/8/2014
The episode kind of scared me because our bodies know how to cope without us even knowing. I do not know about you, but I do know that I like to have control of my memories. It is weird how the psychologist was saying our memories have a way of showing the signs of abuse or traumatic experiences through dreams. I scares me that there are people out there to just trying to lie to people just to take their money. It is sick how she would make the patients go into their dreams and tell her about the abuse and traumatic experiences just to try and analyze the experience. These ways to not remember these memories from experience, but is showing them through dreams is called Recovered Memory.
The part that surprised me the most was when Beth was explaining her dream to the therapist. Her dad was chasing her and then set a bear after her, and her therapist just took advantage of her to get her money by telling her that her father had sexually assaulted as a young girl. I wonder how the therapist thought that her interpretation of the dream was sexually assault, even though the girl knew that nothing like that ever happened.
I now know that the repressed memories are there, but my mind does not show me them because I do not want to remember them. If I were to go through special practices like hypnosis, I could bring forth the repressed memories, but they are not always true that they ever happened in my life. It is disturbing that these things can actually make the person believe that the traumatic event actually happened. I do not want to be the patient that has to go through the troubles of having this happen to them. This makes me feel like the psychologists should have had their licences provoked. I would rather have my therapist help me forget my traumatic experiences instead of pulling them forward, or at least talk me through them. I want my life to become happier not sadder.
Terms: Repressed memory, Dream, memory, therapist, Recovered Memory Movement, traumatic experiences
I am not quite sure how I felt about this episode. It was about recovered memory and it was definitely more interesting than the other ones, but it was also quite disturbing. The episode was about a girl named Beth who first went to a psychiatrist due to some feelings of depression. Beth told the psychiatrist about weird dreams she had been having about her father, and this is when the psychiatrist asked about Beth being sexually abused by her father claiming that those dreams were common in abused children. But Beth said no, and that she and her father were very close. The therapist was not convinced and eventually she convinced Beth too that this was true, and her father had indeed sexually abused her. But due to the trauma it caused her, her brain blocked the memory out causing her to have no recollection of it. This started a huge spiral of “memories” that Beth was suddenly remembering from her childhood, but eventually the psychiatrist decided she no longer believed that these things actually happened to Beth. This trauma caused Beth to cut off ties with her father completely, and most of her family. I can imagine it was very hard on the whole family. Beth’s father couldn’t find a job and was experiencing severe post-traumatic stress. Then Beth ends up going to the doctor and getting told she was for sure a virgin, disproving all of the memories she had recently recovered in therapy. I don’t think this was completely the therapists fault, but I do think that she should not have jumped to such drastic conclusions based on some dreams Beth was having.
The section in the book that I looked back at was the sections about long-term storage, specifically reconsolidation of memories. This theory proposes that once memories are activated, they need to be consolidated again for long-term storage. They also state that when memories from past events are retrieved, they can differ from the original memory. Reconsolidation changes out memories every time we access them. This section makes me feel like recovered memories are not a real thing. Memories we recover from our past change every time we remember them. So in this episode, while Beth was starting to remember some memories, this theory would say that these were false memories. She was probably subconsciously piecing together memories that would fit with the psychiatrists claim about her being sexually abused. However, the section in the book about forgetting urges me slightly in the other direction. An experiment was done and proves that the more you study or talk about something, the easier it is to remember it. It also proves that if you do forget something, relearning is much easier after you’ve learned or experienced it. So Beth could have forgotten her traumatic childhood experiences, and then once one memory came back thanks to her psychiatrist, she couldn’t help but remember other related memories. I am not convinced either way about whether or not recovered memories are legit or not. I think they could happen, but psychiatrists probably should not urge their clients to believe something happened unless they were fully confident it was real.
I question how a psychiatrist can decide for sure that something traumatic happened, and therefore they should change this client’s entire life and remind them? I also wonder how a person can totally and completely forget and block out all the memories of a traumatic experience. I don’t understand how they would have no retrieval cues that would remind them of these memories.
Terms: recovered memory, post-traumatic stress, dreams, long-term storage, reconsolidation of memories, forgetting subconsciously, retrieval cues
After listening to this episode I am not really sure what to think. I found myself going back and forth whether I believed Adnan was innocent and guilty. Just because most everyone that was interviewed, said that Adnan acted very normal. He didn’t act angry towards Hae at all. The only person who saw or heard any weird behavior was Jay. Who is the main person in this episode where the police are getting all their information from. It seemed Adnan and Hae had a pretty normal high school relationship. Things really didn’t go bad until Adnan’s parents found out about them being together, and making a scene at the dance and basically dragging Adnan away. They did that because Adnan practices Muslim as his religion and you are either married or you are not. There is no in between, which in this case would be dating. So what I kept noticing in this was how they referred to Hae as a sin. Which if you are religious all is not a good thing at all. After the whole dance things were very on and off until Hae finally ended things for good. Which is when things got really interesting in the case perspective. Thats when it got very he said she said. People on both sides said Adnan did not seem super heart broken when Hae ended things for good. That he was even sort of a player. The narrator said she really didn’t believe the motive that the state was suggesting. Just because he didn’t seem super heart broken. They even described him as a player. The only evidence they have against him right now is that there are a lot of people saying that they heard him say that he wanted a ride from Hae.. Which is the last time anyone say her alive. Jay told police that Adnan had told him he was going to kill her in her car. Two of Hae’s friends said they overheard Adnan ask her for a ride. Even Adnan changed his story while talking to two different cops. So really I do not know what to believe when it comes to this case.
The only recovered memory I really saw in this episode was when they were talking to Hae’s friends. Just because it happened so long ago, they remembered the important details. Or what we learned in the textbook what they wanted to remember. But once the narrator mentioned what happened or what their statement was they seemed to recall it more. They were like, “Oh yeah that does sound right.”
This episode made me feel uncomfortable in a way. I enjoyed hearing about it, weird as that sounds, because it is so interesting how the brain can tuck away such horrific memories whether it’s physical abuse or sexual abuse. The power that psychologist have in that way to bring back memories you don’t necessarily want to hear or know makes me uncomfortable. Sometimes, whether we want to hear it or not, we need to know those memories so we can live our lives better. Beth went into a psychologist because she was having some problems. After the problems were resolved the psychologist asked if anything else was on her mind. Beth said she had been having some funny dreams lately and then the psychologist suggested that maybe the dreams related back to childhood. Beth had said that she had a normal childhood. The psychologist thought differently of her dreams. According to the psychologist, Beth was having dreams hinting of her dad sexually abusing her. She did not want to believe the therapist that her dreams could be trying to tell her something traumatic happened in her life like that, but after reading books about the subject she knew it had to be true. The family then got destroyed because it would be tough to live with someone you believed sexually abused you. It is a messy situation. I understand that Beth was living a life not like she should, but if she can live life fine and the memory isn’t destroying her adult life, I don’t think a memory like that should be resurfaced. Psychologists bring back those memories to their patients, but the memories are distorted greatly.
The most interesting thing to me in this radio show was the thought of her brain actually suppressing the memory. Even though the memory was in the long-term storage, it was so traumatic that the brain suppressed away. Even though the memory was there and you were paying attention, you may not be able to retrieve the memory. It was encoded and stored in your brain, but just almost forgotten about. Forgetting memories can actually help an individual with the rest of their life. In some ways it is awesome how our minds can do that for us. In otherwise it is bad because some information forgotten may be needed. For example, if you were in a robbery in your house and you got raped and stolen some property to you, you may forget the burglar’s face or that it ever happened.
The only possible question I would have would be when do the memories of the traumatic events turn into ‘forgotten’ memories? Does the person not remember the incident at all or do they start off remember and then just keep telling themselves that it didn’t to the point where they forget the entire situation? That is a part that confuses me the most. I really do think this topic of memory is interesting.
Key Terms: Memory, distortion, long-term storage, forgetting, retrieval, attention, encoding, storage
Listen to this episode of American Life on therapist makes me upset a little. People who have lost their memories come therapist for help and it turns out that the therapists only make the situation worse than before. Likewise in the episode, it discussed how the therapists came to conclusion that the present problems are the result from some traumatic events in the past. I was mad of how therapists keep forcing clients to think back to those horrible events. These similar cases were considered as recovered memory movement. During the first part of this episode, it was mentioned that these problems should be viewed with skepticism. It seems like rather to find a solution, these therapists only make the problems worse. Some therapists even lead the patients to false beliefs of their past. As being mention in the episode, Linda, one of the therapists, would not want to believe that she had done wrongly therapy to numbers of families. But the sad part was the therapist had broke number families apart by pounding the wrong belief to their patients’ heads.
Just like others, Beth came to therapist for help with her depressing problems. The therapists was nice and Beth was doing good after the first appointment. But since the second appointment, Beth told her that horrific dreams of her father. The therapist stopped Beth and told her that these kinds of dreams are happened most likely because you have been inappropriately touched in sexually way or sexually abuse. The therapist asked Beth to think and try to remember if anything happened to her before. After knowing that Beth can’t remember anything, the therapist explained that it is possible that it had happened; Beth can’t remember. It is just the way of our body coping. The therapist interpreted things in her own and told Beth that repressed memory will help Beth flashback back to the event. Even though that repressed memory techniques help to bring back memory, but it may not be correct. And these techniques are still taught in school.
Whether the therapists is purposely breaking the family or not, I think they should had some responsibility of what they caused to number of families. I just don’t understand how therapists could do that and not realized that it could be false. And it is more confused of how the childhood’s sexually harassment could be forgotten as repressed memory? I could not understand how therapists could improperly use meditations and techniques to a number patients and not got charged for it. I was just fascinating of how therapists can just called and apologized for falsely leading the patients to believe something that have never happened to them.
Terms: Memory, repressed memory, meditation. Recovered Memory Movement.
This episode of the American Life was my most favorite so far. This episode made me feel genuinely sad. At one point in time I had tears in my eyes. The story was very interesting and heat touching. I did feel sorry for the client how she had to go back and relive that. This has to be very shocking for someone, her life was not what she thought it was. It was shocking to me that how can someone convince someone else about something that has occurred in their life, but they do not remember it. The clients life was not what she thought it was. The part that surprised me the most was that the therapist was able to bring back events through the client’s dreams. I had no idea that it was possible. It was crazy how it all started from one dream. The client shared that she has been having dreams where her dad is chasing her and sending bears towards her, with her therapist and then it build upon that. The therapist told the client to go home and think and that is where it all started. It took the therapist eighteen months to convince the client that her she was sexual abused by her father as a child. She could not believe that fact. The dreams that she is having are the flashbacks to her childhood. I want to know how did she accept that horrific fact. How is the relationship with her father now and how did she deal with that anger. One of the things that they discussed in this episode and the book as well was the long-term memory and memory storage.
I am totally for it, I do not see any harm to this. It brings the truth out, for me it is all about the truth. It is a personal choice if you want to go to the therapist or not. You are paying for it.
Psychological terms- memory, long-term memory. Memory storage
While listening to this article I was very spectacle. I was hearing all of these things about how therapist were assuming people had repressed memories, based on maybe a dream or just an accusation. This was hard for me to understand. If you think someone has been assaulted in their past even when they say they haven’t why do you keep pushing the subject. It somewhat seemed like a made up therapy. The therapist would keep pushing scenarios and ideas until the subject would admit to them, even though they didn’t happen. Memories are very susceptible to manipulation. You can alter your own memories according to the situation that you have ended up in. Memories are usually not one hundred percent the accurate truth of what happened.
Knowing all of that from what I read in the text book, I found it hard to believe that the psychiatrist didn’t assume these when they were hearing some horrible things, sometimes things that were unbelievable. They were taught not to assume your patient is lying, but this only made the situation worse. They put many people in bad mental states, and ruined the families of so many. Some people that were accused were fired and couldn’t get another job, even when they had done nothing. This ruined the relationship of so many families and caused years of turmoil for them, some of which were never fixed. This part really had me upset and empathetic toward those families.
Finally there were a few psychiatrists that thought that maybe these were false. They didn’t want to believe it because they have pushed so many into maybe making up stories about their past, but they had to stop. I feel like recovered memory could be a good thing for people only if they had to get over something that is 100 percent true event. If you did this for many rape victims and people who had witnessed crimes it could help them get over a lot of things they have suppressed in their conscience mind. This could help them move on with their lives and feel better. This I feel would only be ok if it was a known fat that the event they are explaining happened.
A few years ago, my doctor would made me go to see the therapist every two weeks because I was taking pills and having hard time with coping with my feelings. Going to see the therapist for the first time felt like I’m a crazy person who need a special treatment. I spent half an hour of sitting in the therapist’s office talking to her and receiving some advices from the therapist, but it did not seem to be helping me at all. The doctor encouraged me to go see the therapist once every two weeks but I feel like I did not need to go there because the therapist was not really helping. And after listening to this radio blog, I know for sure that I will never go to see therapist for help, and it even make me refuse to go to the counseling office. I was still cannot believe what Beth has going through after she went to see the therapist. Her therapist was trying to force her to remember something that did not happen and trigger her to recall the fault image by telling her of what might happen. I feel so bad for Beth and her family especially her father that I almost cry while listen to this episode. Beth accused her own father for some fault statement that made by the therapist and humiliating him publicly. Her dad lost his job, the community was looking down on him. The therapist did not do her job right because she cannot comes up with a solution professionally to make her client feel better and decrease the depression level of Beth but she just made things worst. Dream can be consider as a part of memory, but that cannot always be true. According to what I have learned from the book, sometime we will forget a portion of memory of what have happened in the past which has been stored in long-term storage memory, every single object related to the lost memory can trigger that old memory to come back. For example: If a child had been in a car accident where he see a red car coming toward his direction and lost his memory after that incident when he see a red car it will trigger his memory to come back maybe it will not come back at once but it come as pieces like a puzzle. This also known as recover memory movement.
Terms: Memory, dream, long-term storage, recovered memory movement, depression, forgetting
I am a really emotional person, so this episode was really hard for me to listen to. I could not believe a lot of the things that I was hearing. I cannot imagine what it would be like to be in any of these people’s shoes, and I can’t believe that things like this really happen. No one was at advantage or had an easy hand in the whole situation. The therapist is just trying to do her job to the standards that are required of her and the client was just trying to do what she thought was right for her mental health. Her parents were put in a really tough spot dealing with the awful things they were accused of doing. The situation all the way around was not ideal. I was not aware of memory recall and the toll that it can play in situations like this. I really thought a lot about memory distortion while listening to this podcast. In the book it discusses memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, and suggestibility. I think that these are all really relevant when talking about how we recall memories. If someone is pushing you to remember something a certain way, or even if you are encouraging it yourself, it will likely alter what actually happened. In certain cases I think that we just so badly want answers that we are willing to alter what we remember for closure. In my chapter seven blog post, I discussed forgetting memories. I think that this plays a huge role too. Personally, I don’t like to forget things. When I do I try really hard to remember something to put in the place of what I forgot. Whether or not it is completely accurate is a different story. In the book it talks about memory altering and how it is being studied by many psychologists. I think it is interesting how in this podcast she alters memories for the worse. I feel like on average people alter bad memories into something good. A lot of things tie into memories and how we recall them. For example, I think that prospective memory can affect how we remember things. How we remember and perceive the future plays a role in how we recall what has already happened. I can’t think of one particular question about this chapter or podcast because it is so hard to wrap my head around it at all. Even though our book goes into detail about how memory works, I still can’t imagine how this happens. It completely baffles me that people are able to completely create new memories, especially when they can be so bad. It scares me how much we can change daily memories in our minds, as well. I think that I have good memories and that I remember things in great detail, but this chapter and podcast have me second guessing this. I’m definitely going to be paying more attention to everyday happenings and how I remember them in the future.
Terms: Memory, Memory Recall, Distortion, Memory Bias, Flashbulb Memories, Misattribution, Suggestibility, Forgetting, Memory Altering, Prospective Memory
I was particularly disturbed by this episode. It left me pondering the unnerving notion that we cannot always trust our mind and more particularly, our memory. As someone who could be considered as a “child at risk”/in an unstable environment growing up, I have often wondered what sort of effects this has had on my mental state growing up. In high school a friend of mine had an instance of memory recovery, in which a very troubling repressed memory resurfaced. However it was not the result of therapy or due to a therapist’s guidance, it occurred naturally one day when she was in her back yard with her mother pitching a tent. Going through the motions of pitching a tent in her back yard must have unlocked an event that had buried itself from her consciousness for years. When she told me about this and how for her it helped explain a lot of her strange behavior and anxiety – it actually helped her recover, I couldn’t help but wonder if maybe there had been something that had happened to me that my brain was hiding from me and that maybe if there was an event like this it would help me resolve some of the unexplained distress I was feeling. After listing to this episode, I’m not so sure searching for a “buried memory” is such a good idea. It both intrigues me and horrifies me that our minds can come up with fantasies that we firmly believe to be true, it sort of pokes at my concept of reality and how I perceive my life and the world around me.
In the book it discussed how sometimes during the process of storing information into memory, details can become distorted and fabricated. It also touched on blocked memory where people have that “on the tip of the tongue” feeling about words or names. Memory retention is a very curious thing and I now find memory retrieval almost doubly as interesting. How can the brain lie to us this way, where we are convinced it is truth? Does it have something to do with that if we want something to be true enough it is true, at least in our minds? If that is the case why would anyone want the horrific events typical of repressed memories to be true? Maybe it has more to do with the fact that they are searching for explanations, for answers to why they don’t feel right in their minds, why they are sad or irrationally disturbed and they are being guided to think these horrible thoughts by people they respect and are hoping will help them.
I actually felt quite a bit of sympathy for the therapist in this episode. She thought she was just doing her job, using theories and methods she had been taught to practice. She just wanted to help, but ended up being a catalyst for much more devastation than recovery. I can’t imagine how she must have felt after experiencing the realization that some repressed memories could be completely fabricated, unbeknownst to the patients experiencing theses terribly vivid “flashbacks”
Though, in the case of Beth I do not sympathize as much for her therapist because I don’t feel she handled the topic of repressed memory professionally. From what was said in the episode, it sounded as though she was pressuring Beth and pushing her to convincing herself that she had been abused, that is not the way a repressed memory should work. I think the notion of repressed memories itself is a valid one, however I think the problem lies with trying actively to retrieve them. I strongly believe that some minds have the capability to conceal certain painful memories in order to protect itself, but I do not believe that another human being can help us unlock these memories . . . at least not so they are fully untainted. Involving another person’s preconceived perspective into a subject as delicate as memories hidden in our deep psyche will inevitably result in their input affecting details of the memory.
I’m still left with some questions. I’d like to know more about the history behind and the development of the memory recovery movement, along with the false memory foundation. I’m also curious about how many people, statistically experience recovery of true repressed memory.
Psychological terms: recovered memory, memory retention, repressed memories, psyche, consciousness, anxiety, blocked memory, memory recovery movement
This episode made me feel very sad and uncomfortable. I was honestly tearing up at parts of the story. Just imagining myself in the place of these people who had falsely recovered horrible memories, I felt absolutely devastated. It is insane that these people recovered these memories that completely changed how they viewed their parents. What is even more unsettling is that these memories were triggered by a so called medical professional. However, the idea of psychologists hurting their patients more than helping them is not unfamiliar to me. I have a friend who struggled with depression and went to a psychologist that only made it worse. It is sad that this happens. Something should really be done about it. I really have to wonder just how widespread this phenomena still is. Listening to these peoples’ stories, it makes the practice sound so ridiculous and antiquated – like a lobotomy. Yet this really was not that long ago, just about 20 years ago.
As for how this recovered memory thing is possible, I’d say it has to do with this idea of distortion and how easy it is to suggest memories to people. I can remember my friends telling me stories and saying “Oh, remember when we did that as kids?” and while at first I would not be able to remember it, the more I thought about it I can think to myself “yeah….yeah I kind of do remember that.” It is kind of scary to think about actually. As the book says, the human memory is not a perfect recording of the past. It is simply however your brain decided to store the information. And even then, over the many years that we hold these long-term memories, they can become marred by time and new experiences. Not only that, but really old memories can become merged with memories of dreams. Sometimes I will think of something that happened to me and realize that it was actually just a dream I had a very long time ago.
While I can see how it is possible for the psychologists to mold and influence these peoples’ memories, I really do not think that the practice has an ounce of validity. Asking questions that influence the patients’ answers and even forcing them to read material that would aid in building these memories does not sound like a sound medical practice. If anything it sounds like something a sleazy lawyer does to sway their opponent. I cannot have any respect for these therapists that manipulate the memories of their patients like this. To break up someone’s family and completely change their past is an unfathomable offense in my opinion. I really just want to know how often this is still occurring and what is being done to stop it. You would think that in 2014 we would have figured out modern medicine, but I guess not quite yet.
Terms: long-term memories, distortion, lobotomy, brain, psychologist, recovered memory
This episode of This American Life left me completely shocked and speechless. I have never attempted to try therapy or see a psychiatrist, but after listening to this episode I would definitely think twice about going. Even though recovered memory is hardly practiced as a technique to resolve patients’ issues, I find it concerning about how much control they could have over you. Take Beth for example, she first saw a therapist because she was having trouble working in a cancer ward at only 19 years old. After one visit she was feeling more comfortable and relieved, but she made a follow-up appointment just to be safe. In that follow up appointment, her therapist asked if anything else was bothering Beth, and she talked about how she had horrific dreams involving her father. Her saying this, eventually lead to her therapist convincing Beth, that she was molested by her father and the reason Beth doesn’t remember is because people who tend to have these reoccurring dreams forget tragic events that happen early on in their life. After 18 months of this, her therapist told Beth to go public with this information, which lead to her father losing his job, losing contact with all of his children including Beth, and having his name and reputation ruined. All because of a false memory forced upon Beth by her therapist. Thankfully, Beth and her father reunited and she realized the guy crying in front of her saying ‘I love you’ is the father she knows and remembers, not the distorted image of him she was manipulated into seeing.
The one psychological aspect that possibly relates to recovered memory could be dealing with long-term storage and how some memories could be forgotten until someone brings up the subject and talks about the possible events more. Beth’s therapist used a technique called guided imagery, which basically put Beth into a hypnosis state, and her therapist wrote down everything she said. In a somewhat unconscious state, Beth has no recollection of what she said while being hypnotized and would be hard to make things up. However, where I see this as being inaccurate is the things she is thinking have been distorted by her therapist for over a year.
I don’t understand how psychologists today can still argue pro- using recovered memory. It has clearly been more harmful than helpful based on the uprising of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. By using recovered it has proven over and over again how it has ripped families apart and could’ve potentially ended the lives of family members, like Beth’s father. I also don’t understand how therapists or psychiatrists think using suggestibility, because memory is vulnerable to suggestions, is an ethnical way to treat a patient. They are supposed to be trusted doctors that people can turn to, to guide them in the path to recovery, not to distort their memories and make them believe things that never actually occurred.
The psychological terms used: recovered memory, false memory, long-term storage, guided imagery, hypnosis, unconscious, False Memory Syndrome Foundation
This episode made me feel strange. It is crazy how therapists made these people believe they have been raped or beaten. How someone can make you believe something so bad happened, but it really did not. Having the therapist make you believe you have been all those things then living with what you think has happened to you. It destroyed those girls and their fathers. They did not want to show their face to the world. They were embarrassed and it broke them down as a person. It is sad that they were told so many times that bad stuff did happen to them that they believed it. It made me feel sick, how someone can turn your life upside down by making you think that your own father raped you. It also made me feel scared for other people, I wonder how many therapists have made their patients think that they have been raped, beaten or satirized when they really have not.
In chapter seven, it talked about reconsolidation of memories. When memories from past events are retrieved they can be they can be affected, so these events can turn out to be something that truly never occurred. I think it has a tiny bit validity, because in the audio the girl had dreams (not memories) that later turned into memories of her father sexual abusing her. It could have a tiny bit of validity in the sense that her thoughts from a long time ago changed over time. Changing her memory of the dream just a little lead into thinking her father hurt her.
I do have some question about this story. Why would a psychiatrist want you to have those memories? Why would they turn a dream into something that is not even real and destroy your life and your father life. I don’t understand how just talking to a psychiatrist for eighteen months started as bad nightmares into being raped by your dad at night. I don’t understand how you could forget someone raping you unless you were drunk or drugged. Kids remember being raped at a young age, so if someone doesn’t remember it from their older childhood why would you even begin to put the idea in their head? Lastly, if psychiatrics are going up bring up the past and ask those kinds of questions about being raped they should dig deeper in to solid facts because their putting families and people through things that they should never have to go through. Their putting ideas into kid’s heads that should have never even been there in the first place. They need to dig deeper into the facts before they assume sexual assault.
After listening to this episode of This American Life, I have come to the realization that I should never go to a therapist. This is just my opinion, because therapy can actually be very good for some people, and the therapists definitely know what they are doing by being very skilled at helping people find solutions to their problems. However, after listening to what happened to Beth, I’d rather not get into a situation like that. She basically pulled forward a repressed memory about her childhood, which wasn’t true in the first place, and it changed her family’s life forever. Everyone that was involved in the situation, I really feel for. The therapist didn’t the trouble and harm she was causing, and the family was not aware that this false recovered memory would later ruin their family. The therapist thought she was helping people out, but little did she know, she was tearing families apart. Overall, the Recovered Memory movement and false cases ruined the chance of patients figuring out whether something was true or not. One term that comes to my mind when I think of memory and how it ties into this story is long-term storage. Long-term storage is why we can remember T.V. shows we watched from our childhood. Every piece of information in long-term storage is specially organized in our brains. This is where networks of associations comes in. The way the information is stored in our brains is through this system. A piece of information has certain features that are linked in such a way that identifies them. Even if one node is activated, there’s a great chance that closely linked nods will also activate. When it comes to our memory, it consists of a very wide variety of information and knowledge. Also, going to back to long-term storage, when we are asked to recall a memory from a long time ago, such as during childhood, we search for that memory in long-term storage. It’s crucial to recovering old memories. That’s why I think if Beth was really abused by her parents, I would think that she would’ve at least remembered this certain, important memory. I know for sure that if I were abused as a child, I would probably never forget it, because it would be such a burden on my mind, and I would even wish that I would forget it. When it comes to recovered memory, not much makes sense when it comes to the evidence.
I do have a few questions regarding recovered memory. Why would these people not realize sooner about the crazy false memories? What are safe ways to recover false memories?
Psych Terms: repressed memories, long-term storage, memory, recovered memory, Recovered Memory movement
This particular episode was extremely emotional and brought up a very interesting topic. I did not know that there was a practice like this one. After listening to this episode I am kind of in shock of the fact that this practice is even real. I also cannot believe that it is something that is still practiced by psychologist. The one thing that I found in our book that could put some validity to recovered memory is retroactive interference. This is when old memories can’t be accessed because new memories are interfering with the ability to do so. Our book also talks about forgetting and that some memories can be forgotten, but I don’t think that these types of memories can be recovered by anyway. The other thing in the book that talks about the retrieval of memories which is retrieval cue could have something to do with the recovered memory. This is where certain things like location or smells might recall a memory and this sounds similar to the process that they use to gain recovered memory.
How is this practice still legal to be used?
Why is there not any research being done to prove that recovered memory can cause this?
Are there ways for people to win cases like this against a psychologist using this practice incorrectly?
Key terms: recovered memory, retroactive interference, forgetting, retrieval cue.
After listening to this audio I think that this type of “treatment” is absolutely ridiculous. Some of the recovered memories that the people recalled should have never been seen as real events. The psychologists should have known that the events would be skewed by the suggestibility of the mind while under hypnosis. Some of these “memories” are so ridiculous I don’t see how the “professionals” didn’t see through it. I think that it is absurd that it took a story about eating a fetus to make the therapist snap out of this treatment style. However, I think that this treatment could have some validity because our brain does remember stuff even when we are not aware that we are remembering it but when we are forced to remember events; the brain seems to fill in the blank space with stuff that wasn’t true. The memories that we encode and store are not the problem; the retrieval of the memory is when the complications occur and the fallacies are made. I can’t believe that people were licensed to be able to use this tactic. It seems extremely foolish that someone with a repressed memory could recall in such clarity from these sessions; at least to the extent of success that they were having. If I was in this situation and in the parent’s shoes; I would not have hesitated to sue the therapists. Obviously I would know if I had done the act and if I hadn’t I wouldn’t allow someone to affect my life in such a way.
The psychological terms that I used were; hypnosis, suggestibility, memory, encoding, storage, retrieval, recovered memories
Listening to this podcast made me sick to my stomach. Beth’s story had me in awe. I actually had a couple tears. I can't believe someone of her therapist position would manipulate her into thinking that as a child she was molested by her dad. She was having bad dreams about her dad so her therapist introduced that maybe this was repressed memories of her dad hurting her. Her therapist kept at it and made her think back to being a child. She kept on insisting that her dad molested her and that was the only reason why she was having the dreams that she was having. She said it took 18 months for her to believe that this actually happen. Meanwhile she was avoiding her family and constantly staying in her room because she was confused and did not know what to do or think. She was appalled by the fact that her therapist convinced her that she had repressed memories. Her therapist said that when Beth went into a hypnotic state she told her a story about what her dad did to her and she wrote it down then read it back to Beth. Beth was in tears just thinking back to this because this never even happened. I think there is validity to retrieval. That is when you are re-accessing the information. Its bringing the memories you stored when you need it. I think there is good way to retrieve memory. For example when you loose something retracing your steps can help. But when it comes to therapy there are things that can be too leading. Like Beth’s therapist she did not even consider the fact that Beth was telling the truth. She just assumed something happened because thats how she was taught. She thought because of the dreams she was having that meant that obviously something had to have happened to beth. I am still a little confused on what the memory movement is. Also why did they teach therapist they recovery methods that they used to use. There are probably many people out there they are suffering form false memories and they do not even know. It makes me sad that this was even allowed to happen.
TERMS: therapist, recovery, memory, repressed, dreams, stores, retrieve
Morgan Sowers
While listening to this radio show I was amazed that psychotherapists not only partook in the recovered memory movement in the early 1990s but that some of them continue to practice this type of psychology today. I felt disgusted listening to this episode of This American Life. The memories that patients recalled seemed, to me, to be distorted by suggestibility. As is necessary in memory retrieval, the psychiatrist mentioned in this talk show repeatedly suggested that Beth was sexually abused, and that persistent repetition had to have messed with her ability to remember her childhood correctly. Beth even spoke of how she didn’t believe that she was being abused and that it took her 18 months to begin to think her father molested her. The fact that the therapist interpreted normal parental actions, such as wanting their child to do well in school, as a way to make up for the guilt they felt from abusing their daughter is very manipulative. The therapist has a sense of power in this relationship dynamic, the patient must trust their therapist and in this case that trust was betrayed, but in her defense the therapist thought she was doing the right thing. However, the suggestibility, manipulation, and pressure that Beth was exposed to during therapy is horrendous. She was told that her dreams were flashbacks and if she didn’t get to the bottom of what was ailing her Beth would abuse her children and then she was given an ultimatum to expose her father when she wasn’t ready to do so. I really want to know how therapists are still legally allowed to practice this type of therapy. It’s literally ruining lives, only 10-12% of patients believed that their memories were fake and the other ~90% are convinced they are victims of terrible things such as molestation, satanic rituals and cannibalism. I’ve seen a therapist before and although I didn’t like her methods I am extremely glad she did not partake in the recovery of “memories.” The psychology terms I were: Distortion, Memory, and Retrieval.
Before listening to the audio recording, I didn’t exactly know how therapists could bring back memories that people had trapped away inside their brains. Once I started listening to the audio recording I had mixed feelings about what I was listening too. There were times that I felt uncomfortable about what I was listening too. One of these moments was when Beth was signing the papers to make the accusation that her father was a child molester. This is crazy to think about because someone wouldn’t just accuse their father of molesting them when the person was a child. If a therapist is able to bring back repressed memories from a child’s past, you just have to question what else therapist can do. Another sad part about this recording is when the therapist is apologizing to her patients and hoping that they will forgive her. I would feel awful if I was the therapist apologizing to people saying that I had told you the wrong things about your memories.
There is some validity in recovered memories but recovered memories can also be things that are misinterpreted. When someone is talking to a therapist, that person may bring back memories that aren’t even relevant to what they are talking about but it may reveal something else that has maybe been bothering the person. On the flip side, there are memories that can be helpful to something that someone may be going through that makes the situation a little better. I have been through some therapy sessions where I have had to recall back memories that might have made me feel a certain way that the therapist was able to help me deal with. The memories that I was able to recall I talked to the therapist about and the therapist told me ways to cope with certain feelings and it made me feel better.
There are still a couple questions that I have about recovered memories. Has recovering memories of someone that has been accused of things been able to reveal who really did it if the person is feeling guilty even though they didn’t do it? I find this interesting because I have seen shows that people feel guilty of something happening to someone even though they didn’t do it. Are people able to recover memories that they had when they were maybe fifteen years old and now they are seventy-five years old?
Terms: Recovered memories, repressed memories
I became more and more surprised while I was listening to this episode. At one time in my life, I thought that I needed to go see a therapist, and my parents thought so too. I was going through a rough patch in my life and not even the ones that I loved could really make me feel better, they felt that I needed to go talk to someone. But as time went on, I did become better because I was surrounded by loved ones that helped me out. But throughout this episode, it kind of made me relieved that I did not go see a therapist. Because although they seemed like they were not the problem at first, it turned out that they actually were the problem. It just surprised me that therapists, the people that are actually supposed to make people feel better, still practice recovered memory strategies, even though they knew that they were not legitimate. I would not want to go into therapy thinking that I have a problem and that I need someone to talk to, and leaving there actually having a problem because of what the therapist says/does. In the textbook, we learned about a thing called distortion. This is when your memory can provide you with a not so accurate picture of events. There are three things that go with distortion, which are: memory bias, flashbulb memories, and misattribution. A definition of memory bias would be when you change your memories so that you can make it match up to what you actually believe in. A definition of flashbulb memories is when memories are very vivid, and only takes place when something big and important happens. Lastly, a definition of misattribution is when you misremember certain things that took place with a memory. Which pretty much means that you don’t remember parts of the event that took place. I do have a question: If you were a psychiatrist, wouldn’t you want to make people feel better instead of doing things to make them feel worse?
Psychological terms: distortion, memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution
This episode made me feel upset and disgusted that these therapists put their patients through something like this. I understand that they thought this would help them, but maybe they should have stopped after many different cases with different patients and having it turn out the same way. The traumatic event where the girl blacked out and had vivid memory of her father molesting her, and because of her therapist she relived every single time that it happened. That girl stopped going to her therapist and gradually became better. Her father talked about how he walked over to her and started crying and she thought he was going to hit her. Her therapist, Linda, said that she did not think the man she had in her head did not match the same guy that the girl explained in the meetings. The father says that he was falsely accused of molesting his daughter. I personally do not think they should ever do this kind of “special technique” ever again. It’s crazy that therapists got people to think that they actually had something bad happen to them and think that it was just a black out moment in their memory, when it never happened. The therapists made their patients go into something like a hypnotic state because they pushed them hard enough.
In the textbook it talks about long-term storage, which is a memory storage system that allows relatively permanent storage, probably of an unlimited amount of information. Its crazy to think of everything that you have learned or experience, and then think of all the new things you are going to experience and learn. It is also something where information may be forgotten, and can trigger the old memory. Long-term storage is a lot like repressing a memory.
My only question about the recovered memory movement is if the therapists get into trouble once they use this type of “therapy” and it gets reported?
Terms Used: long-term storage, repressing memory,
A false memory is a fabricated or distorted recollection of an event that did not actually happen. False memory happens to everyone, whether or not he or she notices it. Prior to expanding on what is false memory, I believe it is vital to shed some light on working memory and cognitive psychology. The single most central part of growth in cognitive theorization is the segment of memory, which is divided into encoding, storage, and retrieval. It is a scientific system unlike phenomenological methods such as Freud’s theories. Cognitive psychology is more intoned with calculation and demonstration of thinking with scientific outputs. Now in the case on the radio show where the patient accused her father of sexual abuse because of what the therapist found repressed in the memory of the patient show just how complicated and complex our minds are psychologically. Many argue that there is no such thing as False Memory Syndrome. People forget most of what occurs to them, including some events that were pleasant or significant to them at the time. If an event is lost from memory, there is no scientific way to prove whether it was "repressed" or simply forgotten. False memory syndrome involves a combination of mistaken perceptions and false beliefs. The false memory syndrome patient is encouraged to "connect" with an environment that will reinforce the False Memory Syndrome state, and is encouraged to "disconnect" from people or information that might lead them to question. Is it possible that the memories in our head are untrue? If they are untrue, where did they come from? In Freud's theory of "repression" the mind automatically banishes traumatic events from memory to prevent overwhelming anxiety. Freud further speculated that repressed memories cause "neurosis," which could be cured if the memories were made conscious. The nature of memory causes some memories to be distorted through influences such as the integration of new information. There are also believed-in imaginings that are not based in historical reality; these have been called false memories, pseudo-memories and memory illusions. They can result from the influence of outside factors. Memories are subject to worsening and change over time while in storage. And our current expectations and beliefs can alter our perception of a memory when it is recalled. I believe it is as unlikely that all recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse are false as that they are all true. What is known about memory makes it especially difficult to sort out true from distorted or false recollections. However, some consideration should be given to the fact that certain brain processes are necessary for any memories to occur. Terms: False memory, Cognitive psychology, Encoding, Storage, Retrieval, False memory syndrome, Repression, Neurosis, Pseudo-memories, Memory illusions.
This episode of This American Life was one of my favorites so far because it was so interesting and emotional. The personal stories that were told in this show made me feel so many different things. I felt confused at first, because I wasn’t sure exactly what they were talking about or how recovered memories work. Then I began to feel very frustrated and angry at the psychiatrists that were unknowingly coercing their patients into believing these things about their lives that were not even true. It was so frustrating to hear what the psychiatrists would say to the patient to try and fit her life and stories around the fact that she must have been abused, and her dreams and memories were a result of that abuse. It was so sad to hear about the families that were torn apart and ruined by these problems with recovered memories, and it was very sad to realize that most psychiatrists didn’t even realize that they were doing anything wrong, they just believed that they were helping and that the patients were telling the truth about some repressed memory.
There are definitely some elements of recovered memory that could make sense or have validity in this context. Distortion, for example, could be in affect during the “recovered memory” and so the psychiatrists use of suggestion during guided imagery could cause a greater distortion than what is already present in the mind. This distortion is our minds less than accurate portrayal of events that have occurred and this distortion is seen in different ways such as memory bias, flashbulb memories, and misattribution. Flashbulb memories could also contribute to the act of recovered memories because they are small vivid memories that we may have, usually of a big or important event. These “recovered memories” could be seen as flashbulb memories that have once been repressed and are now coming back into the patients memory with the help of the psychiatrist. Misattribution can also occur, which is when we often misremember certain circumstance that happen with a memory, like forgetting certain pieces. This can be troubling when the doctor is trying to guide you through a memory you may have, and their suggestions turn into things you believe actually happened in place of the parts of your memories that you actually forgot. This leads to the psychiatrist actually changing or adding onto your original memories that may have been distorted in the first place.
I still don’t exactly understand the recovered memory movement entirely after listening to this episode of This American Life, but I do understand that recovered memories were thought to be repressed memories from profound trauma that are brought back up into the conscious mind. What I do not know, however, how exactly would they create such graphic and crazy “recovered memories”.
repressed memory, distortion, memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, recovered memory
This episode made me feel deeply interested in recovering memories. I only had one experience with the recovering of a painful, traumatic event, and it was in a book. A young girl had been harmed by her mother and almost died. Yet, she could not remember any part of that experience. Finally, after a psychologist suggested a form of hypnosis to try and recover these memories, the young girl subconsciously relives the traumatic event that happened to her. This episode made me think of this book that I read. Both women had no doubt in their mind that they grew up in a healthy, stable environment. When they were finally able to recover the repressed memories, these women found that they were harmed in an unspeakable way. This made me feel very alarmed. It is amazing to me that the brain is able to repress a traumatic event like this. It would be so strange to relive an event that you did not even know happened to you.
There is a section in chapter 8 that discusses the access of our memories. Overall, a retrieval cue is anything that helps the brain access a memory. There are four process that affect our ability to access stored memories, and those include retrieval cues, forgetting, persistence, and distortion. The process that affected the woman’s ability to remember her traumatic memory was mainly forgetting. Forgetting is the inability to retrieve memory from a long-term storage due to interference, blocking, and absentmindedness. I believe that this woman blocked out this horrific memory from her childhood, therefore affecting her ability, in the long-run, to eventually remember this. I do believe that elements of recovered memory make sense, even though it is strange to think about.
I find the recovered memory movement very interesting. I can see why this can be a controversial to some people. If a person is functioning just fine in society, why make someone recover a memory of something so traumatic that would shatter their world as they knew it? On the other hand, however, I feel like every single person has a right to know what happened to them in their life, whether if it was wonderful experience or a horrible experience. One question I would ask would be what happens to the patient after a memory is recovered? Does the patient continue on with their life and move on? Do they seek further counseling? All of this is very intriguing. I think recovering memories are a delicate, yet fascinating topic.
Psychological terms: Retrieval cue, forgetting, persistence, distortion, interference, blocking, absentmindedness.
During this listening I felt a sense of disbelief. I don’t understand how someone can tell us what to think about things that we have never had happen to us. Such as the girl in this telling about her dreams and the therapist making her believe that this wasn’t actually just her dreams fantasizing it was actually things that had happened to her. The memory of the patients I think was distorted. Her dreams were so realistic and the therapist made her believe that those things in her dreams actually happened to her. I feel like this made me feel like the therapist was also abusing their power of making them believe something that did not happen. I think that it is possible to recover memories that actually happen but I don’t know how something can be recovered if it never happened. I think that memory bias, flashbulb memories, and misattribution contributed to the memory distortion.
It could possibly have been true that the lady was experiencing her dreams because of memory bias. She chose to remember that nothing happened and it was only her dreams and not real life. The therapist could very well have told her this to spark her memory of what actually happened. It could have also been the therapist making her think that her dreams were real life and that is why she is thinking she actually had those things happen.
I believe to some extent that someone can make you believe that something actually happened to you. I also believe it is a choice whether or not to believe that something is true or not. I think that someone is able to control what they believe and what they don’t believe. We all are able to think things the way we choose with memory bias. With flashbulb memory it brings you back to things that remind you of certain events. Misattribution is when we don’t recall certain things such as time, place, or people. All of these could have been involved in these peoples’ stories that they shared with on the talk show.
Key Terms: Flashbulb memory, Memory Bias, Misattribution, Memory, Distortion
I have not experienced a traumatic enough obstacle in my life that I would need to go see a therapist. After listening to this episode, I would still not go and see a therapist. I guess to me, if a stranger told me that I was having problems due to something that I was not even able to remember, I would not believe them. This case is regarded as the recovered memory movement. The clients were forced to look back at times of child abuse or satanic events that “never occurred.”
Prior to the therapist, Beth seemed to be living a some what normal life. However, because of a strange dream, the therapist, Linda thought she was repressing a horrific memory about her childhood. Beth was told to read books about abuse. From previous chapters, I learned that dreams could be triggered from things you did or read about that day. I don’t think I was right for Linda to come to the conclusion about Beth being abused as a child all because of one dream. However, because of that Beth and her parents lives were ruined and would never be the same.
Long-term storage was mentioned in this episode and it was also mentioned in our textbook. Long-term storage is where some information may be forgotten. Occasionally, some people are able to remember what they forgot by experiencing something that triggers the specific memory. This also relates to the topic of repressing a memory. Linda pushed Beth so hard that she made her believe and actually feel memories that really never happened to her. It’s quite amazing how suggestible our minds can be.
Overall, this episode has made an impact on me to never see a therapist. If I had to pay them all that money to then wrongly accuse me of something that was not right, I would be very upset. This leads me to wonder what happens to the practitioner? Can they be charged if they wrongly accuse a client? Was his episode a true story? Or was this just an example of why to never see a therapist?
Psychology terms: Recovered memory, dreams, long-term storage, repressed memory
This episode was really weird. It was really kind of weird to hear that one thing could ruin someone’s life that might not have happened. People are told that these things happened and then it ruins their life. The show talked about that someone had a sensory memory. In the show they talked about how this whole family was not talking to each other. This person thought that this really bad thing happened and would not talk to there family. This is kind of scary to think that someone could have the power to ruin someone’s life. That is weird.
Recovered memory does make a little sense to me. The way the book talks about memory it first goes to your short-term memory. Then to make it to your long-term memory you have to make a connection to it. It would make sense that if something happened that was not good you would not make a link to it. You would not want to keep remembering it. If you do not make the connection you cannot move it to your long-term memory. If it does not make it there then you will not remember. What I do not get is that if it does not make it to your long-term memory how can you remember it. Where does the memory go? I think you could bring back memories that are in your long-term memory. I do not think that it is possible to bring back a memory that is in your short-term memory. It would seem like you do not have the memory any more. If it did not make it to your long-term memory you should not have it. Your short-term memory does not last long so it cannot stay in there. I do not know if I would support this. It may help and that is good. The part that is bad is when it does not work. It ruins people. Something like this is very and I think almost too powerful. Are people still using this a lot? How does it happen? Is there another way to do it that does not do what the other way does?
Sensory memory, recovered memory, short-term memory, long-term memory
As someone who has been fighting clinical depression for five years and a past self-harmer of four years, I of course am no stranger to therapy and this episode caught my attention. I had been in therapy for almost four years, I stopped attending when I had to move to college, a choice made with the blessing of my therapist. As someone who was in therapy for so long, it’s a shock that therapy could do more harm to someone when therapy has done so much to help me. This is the first time I have heard of “recovered memory.” I believe the problem with it is that they might not bring back actual memories. They are trying to accuse these people, basically, of having retrograde amnesia when they don't. They can also corrupt memories into horrible things that may or may not even be true in the first place. If a therapist then feels they made someone more sick they may be become afraid of their job and of the world and of the power they hold.
Overall the feeling of this episode ran straight into me. As an empath this episode made me quite upset. I could feel the pain that the girl went through and it made me feel empty and numb from the tip of my head to my toes. I could feel the disappointment and horror of the therapist when she had found out what she had done. And in the end I felt outraged that these ideas existed, but glad that they are no longer really around.
The only thing I would like to know is if this is actually still used anywhere and if so, why is it being used? How do you know if these are explicit memories, implicit memories, or just memories that are made up? How do you how badly the memories have been distorted? And most of all, how do you recover from these kinds of lies?
Terms: clinical depression, self-harmer, therapy, therapist, recovered memory, retrograde amnesia, empath, explicit memories, implicit memories, distorted (distortion)
This episode of This American Life really, truly disturbed me. Not only that, I was disgusted and am even more wary of Therapists than before. After reading the chapter on memory and listening to this episode I’m not sure what to think. However, I am skeptical of the validity of buried memories. Sure, I understand that people forget things or maybe they lose the memories as a way to cope with trauma but for it to be so far gone that you don’t remember anything about things like sexual abuse or forced cannibalism is absurd and highly unlikely. Certainly, you would remember at least a small detail of the trauma. One question I still have about recovered memory is how this wasn’t investigated further? Also, how is it that our minds can be so easily influenced? It’s so odd that our ‘real’ memory can be totally scrapped and a false memory can be so easily believed. It’s absolutely mind blowing! I’m sure most therapists have the client’s best interest in mind but it certainly raises a red flag. I’m not sure why they would want you to remember such incidences or traumas. I mean, of course they would want you to work through problems but if the past was that bad that the brain conceals those memories so well that you aren’t even able to recall an iota of information then it must be for your own good. Heavens, we should be listening to our bodies’ signals more because it has a natural ability to protect itself. It’s exactly like worrying. We worry about things so much that eventually we create problems that aren’t even there! Memory recovery is the same as worrying. Don’t create problems that don’t exist. The psychology terms I used were therapists, memories, cope, trauma, recovered memory, influenced, and signals.
I personally find it disturbing how they convinced her when things that didn’t happen, actually happened. They take advantage of a person who wasn’t in the right state, it’s bad enough she is scared and confused but being turned against your family in the process over something that didn’t exactly happen. It ruined Beth’s life by ruining the relationship she thought was good with her dad, she also probably lost a sense of security and was treated differently by everyone. What was done also ruined her father’s life, not just with losing a job but having his daughter and the world turned against him thinking he is something he isn’t. Unfortunately for them, it is really hard to lose that reputation once people think that of you and everyone knows about it. It is one of those things that are hard to prove whether it did or did not happen to the public. So there are lives that are forever ruined, reputations forever ruined as well over something that didn’t even occur.
I think it is a terrible example of therapists, especially with people becoming more aware of mental illnesses and feeling like they need help, it could make the problem worse. It changed my opinion on therapists, I thought they were there to help and be there, now I am not so completely sure. I know I would be terrified if I was in a state where I had to go and find out I was kind of taken advantage of just because I wasn’t in the right mindset. We are told they are the people you go to when you have crises and struggling mentally because they are supposed to people you trust and can talk to about your personal lives without being judged. It is disgusting hearing about situations that power is being abused and people are having their rights taken away. It can just be a set up to make things for those who are struggling worse which can lead to potentially dangerous situations for their health and loved ones.
I think recovered memory makes sense, certain things like smells or songs especially can trigger memories or feelings that have been buried or haven’t been thought about in a long time. When people have brain trauma, sometimes you hear stories of them getting flashbacks or things coming back to them as time moves on, so I wouldn’t rule it out as impossible, the brain is capable of some amazing things. It would probably be really confusing to have a flashback of something that really happened, when they were told something completely different.
I think my main questions would be how do they get away with lying to people and families? I guess it would be hard to prove whether or not something has happened. Why do people still go to them for therapy or recommend them to family or friends? The sad truth from this piece is that the world can be a sick, cruel place if you aren’t aware.
I feel like this episode is very controversial because I am sure there are many people on the therapist’s side and a myriad of others on the opposite side. The whole situation was just a terrible place to put someone in. I think the therapist is completely in the wrong for “talking Beth into” these situations happening and making them realistic to her and her family. Understandably, it was not necessarily Beth’s fault, but at the same time, I feel like she took it too far and I do not think she should have kept going to the therapist. Deep down, Beth knew that this was not true. Especially because it took her a good nine months to make up a story. I was really in shock that her people in and around her family believed her story. If he was not a molester, I feel like there would be pretty clear signs, especially when they lived with him, they would know a lot about him. My heart honestly broke for the father just because, unintentionally, his daughter ruined his life. He knew wholeheartedly that he did not molest his daughter, nor would he ever, but no one believed him.
I believe that anyone has the ability to have false recovered memories, not just people that go to a therapist. I have made up stories in my mind and believed them to be true, obviously not as extreme, but things such as saying things in my head and making myself believe I said it out loud. Through each and every therapy session, the therapist lead Beth to believe that she is just now retrieving all of these memories. These “memories” were allegedly supposed to be a part of her long term memory before she “repressed” them. Her therapist should have known before becoming a therapist, that the thought of having meaning behind dreams is not a proven fact, it is just a theory that us, as humans, find it comforting to believe in. To a sense, she was using elaborative rehearsal; replaying these dreams in her mind, about her father molesting her, over and over again and putting new stories she came up with to create this story. Somehow, our imagination can come up with these crazy stories and make us believe that our imaginations are somehow true.
Even after reading the chapter, I still do not understand how our minds can (for lack of a better word) brainwash us into thinking that these false stories are truly memories. I understand we can talk ourselves into believing things that are not true, but when it is something so far fetched, it just does not make any sense to me. If someone told me that one of my loved ones is a monster, I would tell them that they are crazy. I guess to a point, Beth just really wanted to understand her dreams but I just can not fathom actually letting yourself truly believe that enough to come out and accuse someone of that.
Psychological terms: recovered memories, retrieving, elaborative rehearsal
After listening to As an Expert, I was amazed by what I had heard but it also was depressing to listen to. I couldn’t imagine something horrific happening to me that involved a loved one and it turning out to be all in my head. At first, hearing the stories I thought that there could be a chance that this massive repression of memories could happen. But as I continued to listen, that idea stated to dwindle. It didn’t necessarily go away completely as a possibility, but it did indeed dwindle.
I think recovered therapy may have some validation to it but mostly I believe that it is either something that the brain has made up or an exaggeration of an actual event that has happened to that patient. I mean psychologist still don’t have a solid definition for memory, yes they have a very stable theory of memory but still struggle with what it actually is. Memory is so complicated and easily manipulated that it’s hard to say that everything that these patients were dreaming were factual. On the radio show they mentioned that now psychiatrists and psychologist say that it is possible to experience great trauma and repress it so deeply that you can remember it. But that this kind of massive repression is very rare.
The big question I would have for the practitioners who are still trying to use recovered therapy would be “Is it really worth it?” I’d ask these questions because the probability of these patients actually being able to repress their memories to the extent of not remembering is so rare. Compared to the potential outcome of possibly being wrong and then feeling responsible for all the hurt you caused a family, all on the very small chance that their horrible dreams are true? To me it just doesn’t seem worth it.
Terms: psychiatrists, psychologist, memory, massive repression, trauma, brain
The beginning of this radio program was sweet and innocent. Little did I know that the story was going to take a turn for the worst. When things are going that bad for a person, it is highly recommended that they go see a doctor to see what they can do to help you out. I thought that doctors were to help someone. Yet these people that she went to go see, they were ‘doing their job’ , yet they were causing harm to their clients. This is a very messed up form of psychological help. I do not with for this upon others. I feel as if this is living torture for people that undergo this process. The book talks about haaving to store events or thoughts for later, known as Elaborative rehearsal. This is be when we associate something to a word or emotion. This could also affect how we recollect poor memories, yet those memories are stored away into our long-term memory. This could be a way that psychologists entice feelings that you might have towards a certain subject, then implanting that emotion into you, this could blur your thoughts and feelings, thus making the memory more intense or pertain towards that feeling more. Thus procuring these fake memories.
Terms: Elaborative rehearsal, long-term memory
This episode was very interesting and thought provoking. Repressed memory is very a controversial topic and because of stories like these, recovered memory therapy isn't valid in court or recommended to do. It is very disturbing to learn that so many families and lives were destroyed because of the memories that were unintentionally created. I think it's also important to understand that the therapists that were involved in these situations, acted in good faith and trusted in the practice and thought they were helping their clients. Talk therapy can help a lot people work through their problems and these unfortunate events shouldn't discredit all of psychology and the good therapy can do. I think the field has grown a lot as a result of the repressed memory movement and therapy practices are thoroughly researched before they accredited and done in the field. It's also crazy how such vivid and horrible memories can be so easily created. Beth could "remember" what she was wearing and how the curling iron felt and so many other things that never happened. The question that came to my mind was where did these memories come from and how could a person just come up with them?
I think that because we forget so many things and are able to block out traumatic events, recovered memory could have some validity but it is very tricky and has to be observed carefully and done the right way. Since people often will dissociate during traumatic events and block out what had happened, it would make since to bring those memories back to reprocess them. But then again, memories are often so distorted that we don't have the accurate view of what really happened. We just have our perceptions of the event and what we focused on at that time. Asking two people about the same event would result in two completely different stories. Therefore, it is hard trust memories that bring up powerful accusations such as
child abuse and satanic rituals.
The question I have for practitioners that are still using it is; why would you believe and use a type of therapy that has caused so much damage
to people's lives?
Term used: repressed memory, recovered memory therapy, dissociate, distorted memory, perceptions.
After listening to this episode of American Life, I feel as though therapists aren’t so much after recuperation of problems, but more so a pay check. While listening to the interview, I received the impression that the therapist would bring up ideas, bizarre ones, that the client has actually experienced more trauma than they have previously thought. This would trigger a response from the client to set up another meeting, and pay for another session. The ideas mentioned in this interview seemed to be absolute rubbish, and to think someone with a certificate and an education could impose those beliefs upon someone, and take their money while they do so blew my mind.
I feel that although there may be some truth behind the methods used to remember “recovered memories”, it is hard to keep an open mind. The fact that Beth was raised by her father, and knew him very well, but was able to believe the ideas the therapist fed her was; lack of better word, stupid. The amount of damage in correspondence with recovery was a landslide. The methods used to tap into the mind and surface these “recovered memories” did much more damage than help. In Beth’s case, this went on for three years. The amount of emotional and physical stress from the entire situation must have been overwhelming, but she cannot put off all blame. She bought into the ideas, and paid for them. I feel sorry for her family for having to deal with the drama and false guilt brought on by her therapist’s publicity stunt. To me, ignorance seemed to be the biggest problem, ignorance and the gullible mindset. The best advice I was ever given was: “Don’t believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see”, would have brought Beth and her family much safety from later hardships. I feel she should have went with her initial gut feeling, that the ideas were outlandish, and had no way of being true.
To me, I don’t think that there is much validity to the recovery memory process. Those behind it even admit that it can cause people to have made up memories. If the memories are made up, then it is not real, therefore it isn’t valid. I know in some cases this process may work, but I feel it shouldn’t be widely used. I don’t think it’s negative influences should be practiced and used on clients that may not fully understand what they are committing to. I feel sorry for those who had this medication used. Through my understanding of Beth’s situation, it can be a true homewrecker. The intent of therapy should be to heal a client, not blow the situation out of proportion, and make everything worse.
Psychological Terms: Therapist, Therapy, Trauma, Memory, Recovered Memory, Mind, Stress, Medication
Memory recovery is an interesting aspect of therapy. It's a little eerie to think about as well because people repress horrible memories from their childhood, so trying to find this memories again is very stressful. If I was doing fine in life and nothing was troubling me in life, I would leave my memories the way they are. I would not try and dig for a memory that had been purposely forgotten. Repression is a factor in a lot of peoples' lives, whether they know it or not. Personally the only reason I would go to therapist would be for venting, to express my emotions to someone. That would be all the further I would go, I would never want to dig into the darkest memories of my past. Those memories, in my opinion, are forgotten for a reason. Repression of memories may in fact be more beneficial to us then we think. When the woman described her life of being perfectly fine, and then started crying when she remembered her traumatic event, that immediately made me think that she was better off not remembering what happened to her. Memory recovery, after listening to the podcast, seems to be a very flawed practice. The cons definitely outweigh the pros in my mind after listening to the story of the woman remembering her painful memories. Beth had very stressful hallucinations after seeing the therapist. The way they were describing Beth getting to her painful memory felt very somber, they kept repeating that she needs to get to the bottom in order to become healthy again. Isn't the whole point of life to get to the top? To reach the peak in your life where you feel indestructible? They were tearing down Beth for no reason, she was slowly losing her sanity. This type of therapy seems utterly useless, honestly I would like to hear a story where this method of therapy actually worked. Our minds are very delicate, and when you have a professional people manipulating and skewing our minds that becomes a very dangerous situation. It's almost of Beth were being drugged, and her mind was going down very dark roads, roads that did not even exist. The instance Beth should have never went to that therapist, it basically ruined her life, and her parent's lives. Recovered memory seems to do only a small percentage of good in peoples' lives, and a large percentage of mass destruction. I would be on the legal scholars' side trying to fight against this movement, this therapy does not seem like a good move for anyone to do in their lives. Trying to remember something that never happened is a total waste of time, and if you are living a happy go lucky life, don't look to the past, build for the future. The only thing the past is good for is to remind you of how far you have come as a person, and the amount of experience and love you have gained over the years. They always tell you not to dwell on the past, and they're right. Dwelling on the past is like living life with regret. The longer you look into the past, the more likely you will become stuck in the past. Good memories are the only memories people should remember, and prepare for the future. Don't be a slave to your past, but instead become the architect of your future.
Terms: Memories, repressed memories, memory recovery, forgetting, stress
For this blog post we were assigned to listen to Act 1 of episode #215 of This American Life entitled As An Expert. After doing so, I can honestly say all of my trust towards professionals in the field of psychological therapy is gone. I have never had to see a therapist for anything and now I can surely say that I never will. I was shocked to learn about the reconsolidating of memories. As much as I want to believe that its true just because it is a phenomenal thing to be capable of doing, I hope it’s not actually possible to remember things you had forgotten in the past. I hope it is just a case of our brains making things up in result of trying to think of something too hard. Its like our brain is so determined to find answers that it will make something up to find so that we are satisfied. This episode really scared me because just the thought of someone with the capability to make you second guess your life and recall horrible things that may not have even happened is just plain crazy. I think a a therapist it would be mean to do to someone. It really makes me even more skeptical that the therapists are only in it for the money because let’s face it, more visits, more money.
The only section in the textbook I could find that really related to the episode was the section called Reconsolidation Of Memories. The text explains how when a memory is put into long term storage it may differ when it is retrieved again, also known as distortion. Reconsolidation alters our memories every time we use them. That is the reason someone telling a story might tell a different version every time. The main point will be the same but the details will be different. Just like a memory, every time it is used it will be slightly different and soon could be altered so much that it becomes a fake memory that you made up based on the original one. Memories stored in short term memory aren’t typically altered like long term memories because the altering occurs when the memory is accessed after a long period of time. A memory could also be affected by the retrieval cue, or the reason the memory is accessed in the first place. When retrieving memories it can often become a case of “finding what you want to find.” For example, if you wanted to recall your favorite shirt as a child, and you thought you may have loved the color blue, your memory could respond by remembering your favorite shirt as a child was blue. These are a few things I picked up from the text.
There are still a few questions I have about this topic. The first is just a general question: As a professional trying to help a client, how could you live with yourself after causing such harm to someone? It makes people trust professionals less and less when discoveries like this are made. Another question I have regarding memory recall is, If all these theories are true, how is it that we forget such important memories to begin with? If those memories were so life changing how is it that our brains decided to forget about them in the first place? We may never know but it will always be a hot topic in psychology.
Terms Used: Memory, Consolidation, Distortion, Short term storage, Long term storage, Retrieval cue, Forgetting
This episode made me think long and hard about when I was a child. As a child growing up in a home whose father was raised on a farm and learned to work hard everyday that really put a toll on my brothers, my sister and me. He expected a lot from us, we did our best to make him happy meeting his needs, but his wants weren’t completed and that’s what he really cared about. Listening to this radio station audio from Chicago put me back real quick to my past experience the experiences in which thought I took out of my mind, I have never thought about these things before. I almost for got the things that happened, nothing was abusive at any means but it wasn’t always a happy household. There are many ways recovered memory can be brought back. In the radio audio they interview a person who was distressed and was seeing a type of counseling. The counselor had discovered that she was facing something with her past experience but the lady had no idea. They talked a lot about her past when her session was over she went home to sleep and had dreams. The dreams she had were of her past but she didn’t think anything of it she thought of it being a horrible dream. Come to find out she was actually dreaming of what happened in her past. We can reach our recovered memory from dreaming, hypnosis, and relaxation also through just talking about experiences. In this case Beth took a different path in trying to find out what happened cause there is almost no validity of the recovered memory. She started reading rape readings, she began to believe and think these readings happened to her and that’s what made her dream of her recovered memories. There are some questions that arose to me through this text and blog. If something such as rape or being abused when your little can come back in your recovered memory do you think we could put some type of secret or hidden valuable seen or told to a young chilled at a younger age that made him think about it for awhile. Once the child would soon forget because there so young we would use these same techniques used in the audio but a little bit altered stage to see if the older being would remember that secret or remember the image of that valuable so it can be found again? The only reason anyone would do this was if they probably were dying and left a journal back for the kid to read and then he remembers all the secrets and valuables that were shown to him. That would be one of the craziest ways to keep something hidden.
Key terms: Hypnosis, dreaming, relaxation, memories, validity, recovered memory.
After listening to this episode, it has only given me even more reason as to why I will never go see a therapist for any of my problems. However, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and therefore have the right to seek help if they believe it truly helps them. Personally, it is wrong for someone to experience a past event that has been traumatizing to someone’s life. For example, in the show, Beth was talked into situations happening that made them realistic for her family. Her father knew he did not molest his daughter, but it had already ruined his life. It took Beth nine months more or less to come up with a reasonable story. Which was just ridiculous. Beth was lead by the therapist to recover her “repressed memories” which made her believe they were long term memories, yet technically she was using elaborative rehearsal which encodes information more deeply, ultimately deciding whether the information is meaningful to us and link it to knowledge in our long-term storage.
It is a strong opinion of mine that everyone has false recovered memories. There are many times where you recall a similar event and kind of make up a scenario that sounds like it actually happened to you, but for everyone else it’s not true. It always makes me seem feel kind of out of it once that moment happens, due to the fact that I strongly thought such an event happened.
Yet, after reading this chapter I can see as to why our brain and all the processes it can conduct is so confusing. If our brain is able to conduct normally, but can be tricked into thinking/doing something that one has no power over, then it becomes an matter of how that is possible. There has to be a way to repress such a manipulative action from happening, but then again when one is really looking for answers anything can be a possibility.
Terms: repressed memories, elaborative rehearsal, brain, long-term memory, therapist, traumatizing.
It surprised me because I can’t believe someone professional like that would take advantage of her vulnerability. Another surprise was that she made her think all these horrible things had happened to her. I wouldn’t even know what I would think if some therapist tried to get me to think that anything like that happened to me. Yes you can dreams be memories but you can’t base that off real life all the time. For example they say that if you dream about someone that means they are thinking about you. If that is the case then Johnny Depp needs to hurry up and call. I also feel like she did that to make more money. The more sessions a therapist gets the more money they get. I don’t think you can really relay on recovered memory. That’s just something you need to proceed with caution with. I remember doing a project on recovered memory and I found a lot of articles that said using that can be very unreliable. My opinion on it is if you believe something or get told something for so long you’ll just start to think it’s true. I bet there are cases where it works but probably not often. In the interview the lady had said it took 18 months for her to start thinking all those things were real. A question that I have for recovered memory is, can someone really mental forget something that horrible? Another question I have is what is the actually process a professional take to recover memories? Not a person who takes advantage but someone who actually wants to help. I can see why people are trying to fight this because it’s unreliable
Terms: Memory, Recovered Memory, Therapist,
This episode of This American Life was very devastating to me. This episode was Ask An Expert, it discussed people in the 90’s that were experiencing weird dreams who went to visit psychiatrists. The dreams that these people were having were not just normal dreams, but they were dreams about being attacked or abused by someone close to them. They went into description to their psychiatrists about these unusual, terrifying dreams that they were having. Many of these people that had opened up to their expert psychiatrists about their dreams were told that they were not dreams, but they were flashbacks to traumatic events they had previously experienced. Many of the psychiatrists told their patients to go home and think more about their dreams to see if they could remember anything else. One of the patients featured in the radio broadcast was a lady named Beth. After being told by an expert to go home and think more about her situation she did just that. The more she thought the more disgusted she got. Beth began to remember vivid things in her dreams about what her father did to her. The next session she attended her psychiatrist told her that she needed to open up to her parents and tell her she knew what had happened. She was also told that she needed to go public with her story as well. Beth did just that and this story going around destroyed her dad. It left him unemployed with no family. This made me terribly upset and feel really bad for the father even though he had did these traumatic things to his own daughter. It turned out that Beth’s father did not do any of these traumatic things to her and he was never guilty of even coming close to hurting her. The psychiatrist had triggered the belief that something had happened to her once she was told to focus on it more and think back to what had happened.
After learning that the whole thing was not true I was devastated thinking about how much all of these stories had destroyed these families. Not only did it just tear the families apart but in Beth’s story it left her father with a bad name and reputation in his town. This episode of This American Life was very sad and heartbreaking for me to listen to.
From what I know about memory I believe that the psychiatrists were believing that the people having these traumatic dreams were having some blocking remembering what had happened to them. Another possible reason the psychiatrists is by reconsolidation. The psychiatrists could’ve believed that the people just didn't want to remember them therefore they put the memories behind them. I believe that the reason these traumatic events were coming to the people was because of the psychiatrist bringing up the idea that they were just dreams, but they were flashbacks. by the psychiatrists doing this it caused the patients to focus on this information more and think back into their long-term storage. One thing that it discusses in the book about long-term storage is about how it can be flawed. That is exactly what I believe happened with these patients. They began to think so hard about these events that they began to think that these false events were true. Alot of the reason of these situations being true was because of the psychiatrists pressuring them so much to think back about the traumatic events.
Overall this whole episode was extremely interesting to me and had my mind going in a bunch of different directions. The one thing that I do really question is why the psychiatrists automatically believed that they were flashbacks. I just don’t understand how these dreams were not looked at or talked more about in sessions before the psychiatrists just started to believe that these dreams were based off of traumatic events that had happened to the patient. I did enjoy this episode but it was very heartbreaking for me thinking about what these families had to go through.
Psychological terms used: long-term storage, reconsolidation, flashbacks, dreams, blocking
After listening to this episode, I am pretty nervous about counseling session today. I didn’t know how many people the theory of repressing memories severely affected, before it was claimed false. Prior to treatment Beth was fine and had a happy life with her family but because of a strange dream Linda thought she was repressing a horrific memory about her childhood. I thought it made sense as to why Beth started having more and more dreams about child abuse. She was told to read books about abuse, and from previous chapters I learned that dreams could be triggered from things you did or read about that day. I don’t think I was right for Linda to come to the conclusion about Beth being abused as a child all because of one dream. I think more evidence needed to be conducted to prove that. However, because of that Beth and her parents lives were ruined and would never be the same. I don’t understand why Beth did not get tested in the beginning if she thought she was a virgin in the first place. If the results came back that she was not a virgin, and Beth could not remember how, that obviously meant she was indeed repressing a memory from trauma.
One topic discussed in the episode and textbook, that can prove repressing a memory wrong, was how our memories can be distorted or flawed. According to the textbook, research has shown clearly that human memory provides less than accurate portrayals of past events. Distortion occurs in memory in four ways; memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, and suggestibility. Memory bias is the changing of memories over time so that they become consistent with our current beliefs or attitudes. Linda pushed Beth so hard that she made her believe and actually feel memories that really never happened to her. It’s quite amazing how suggestible out minds can be.
Terms: repressing memories, dreams, long-term storage, hypnotic state, distortion, memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, and suggestibility.
This episode was extremely heartbreaking! The mental pain that many families have gone through. This episode did make me cry, I’m not afraid to admit. To find out something that is so horrible, you think it has to be true. Then to later find out that that memory you thought was true was a lie. I cannot imagine what all those families have gone through. I think that most of the people who have gone through this have experienced a lie, but I do think that there are some families that those memories have turned out to be true. I think there is truth behind repressed memories. If something is truly horrible, why wouldn’t you want to forget it? I remember an episode from Criminal Minds, where one of the detectives remembers some of the represses memories. Some of them weren’t true, but his memories ended up solving a difficult case. I do believe that to find your repressed memories, there has to be a little sliver of information part of the memory to get detailed information. Also if most of our long term memories end up being a little different over time, wouldn’t the memories you don’t remember often be even more different from what happened? Memories are so complicated, I feel like you can only remember so much. Even though our brains fill in the remaining information. I definitely would not want to go to a therapist to see if I have repressed memories.
The terms I used: Memory, repressed memory, therapist.
This episode of This American Life was a very interesting one. At first, I felt like this was an amazing thing, and no part of me questioned if it could be real or not. But, after listening I came to the conclusion that I do not think it is possible to remember any type of horrible memory that you tried your hardest to forget about. I felt sorry for the individuals that went to a therapist to help fix their problems, and it turned out they caused more. The “memories” that they repressed were very horrible, and to convince someone into believing it happened is really unfortunate. I find it hard to believe that recovered memory can be reached at that level. I believe there are ways to repress memories that you don’t want to remember anymore, but I also don’t think that its possible to just be able to do it on your own and then be able to uncover it years and years later. I’m still curious about how all of a sudden this recovered memory movement came about, and they claimed they had proof and evidence that this was all possible. And then, all of a sudden they came to the conclusion that maybe this really wasn’t possible after all. I think it would be very interesting to hear the opinions of psychologists and therapists today. Their views on the recovered memory movement would be intriguing after hearing this episode. Even being able to hear what psychologist and therapists back then who didn’t take part in the recovered memory movement would be interesting to hear how they felt about it.
Psychology Terms: Repressed, memory, recovered memory movement
I didn’t like this episode all that much. It doesn’t make sense to me how therapists could convince people that they were repressing memories. In the case with Beth, she was just having strange dreams about her father. Her therapist had asked Beth about her relationship with her father and if she had ever been abused either sexually or physically. She was then given books to read and these books were all about abuse. Obviously this will cause Beth to have dreams relating to abuse but her therapist told her it was flashbacks and not just dreams. To me that doesn’t make any sense. I understand that some people do repress memories but like the one guy said, memories are very influential. A doctor had even done a test on Beth and found out that she was actually a virigin so it was impossible for her to be abused.
From the textbook we learned that creating a memory is a process and sometimes we can memorize these things differently than other people remember them. The brain has to process a lot of information and it is difficult for me to believe that people can just completely block out a memory. I believe that because the therapist was prodding at Beth until Beth started to believe that she was actually abused as a child. Beth trusted this therapist and the therapist had just done what she thought was right.
I just would like to know if recovered memory is actually real. Is it possible for people to completely block out a memory and not know it ever happened? I don’t believe it is but at the same time some people do say it is possible. I also would like to know that despite this recovered memory movement being proven false or whatever, why did they keep using it? How many lives kind of like Beth’s and her story were ruined? It’s kind of a scary question to ask because we probably have no idea.
Terms used: repressed memories, dreams, recovered memory movement, blocking
The recovered memory movement is extremely controversial. Therapists would have patients come in from some sort of distress to seek help. It was then the therapists who would say they believed that the patient had been abused in some fashion as a child. Of course the patient would then decline this saying that never happened to them. The therapist would then proceed to explain that that is how repression works. It is the bodies way of coping with the abuse. This would usually peek a patient's interest and they would allow for the therapist to try and bring up repressed memories. Ways that they would do this were through hypnosis and also guided imagery. The patient in Act 1 described how they would start with an image of a teaspoon and it would end up as a three tiered cake, how this happens I have no clue. The problem though is that while these patients are in these hypnotic states, or focusing so hard they blank out, they become susceptible to influenced memories. It is as if the therapists were almost creating a memory within the patients mind that was not actually real, or if it were real, it could be influenced by the therapist and still be somewhat fake. This leads to problems in a sense that people who were never actually abused may then come to believe that they had been.
A lady named Beth went to a therapist who used the above techniques on her. Beth originally went to the therapist for depression, she had told her of dream she had where her dad would send bears after her. This is what the therapist latched onto. She told Beth that she believed Beth had been sexually abused as a child. Beth did not believe at first, but chose to come back for more sessions. During these sessions this therapists convinced Beth that she had been sexually abused. Beth would go into trance like states that she could not recall. When she came out of them her therapist would read back to Beth what she had said. There was a story of how her father had taken her into his bedroom and laid down with her, there was also one of an abortion that her father had attempted. Years later this was proved to be false because a doctor ruled Beth was still a virgin. This whole incident tore the family apart. Thanks to the False Memory Syndrome Foundation there is a place for parents to go who believe they have been falsely accused due to a therapist.
After all of our readings, the only question I have is why are these practices used? I feel as if some therapists are overstepping their boundaries. They should not push issues that may have no validity. If a patient comes in for depression then they should be treated for depression, not for some other reason that a therapist believes is going on. Don’t get me wrong, if they think something else is going on then yes, they can ask about it, but only once or twice. If the patient says no, nothing is wrong, then the therapist should let the issue go and get back onto the topic of why the patient is there. I have the upmost respect for Linda, the therapist who came forward after realizing she had been a part of this. She described incidents with patients that she did believe to be true, but after one certain case doubted them. She then confronted patients about these memories and realized most of them did not actually happen. For her to come forth and put her career on the line admitting these things happened is very brave. Also to admit to the families that this had happened is again very brave. I personally believe these practices should no longer be used.
Key Terms: Repression, Depression, Memories, Guided Imagery, Hypnosis, Influenced Memories
After listening to this episode I am definitely never going to see a therapist again about anything. I was appalled listening to the story of Beth Rutherford. Her therapist literally kept insisting that she had repressed memories to her that in turn made Beth paranoid and begin to believe it resulting in her stranger dreams or as her therapist called them “flashbacks”. Obviously her therapist was giving her only the worst-case scenarios with her dream analysis causing even more psychological harm to Beth. As Alex Spiegel said in the show that memories are vulnerable to suggestion and can be contaminated and forced to produce memories that aren’t even real. I believe that there is some good that can come from seeing a therapist if the repressed memories are real but from what I saw in the radio show was that the therapist was actually creating the memories with all of her previous hints towards Beth’s dreams.
I do believe that recovered memory does have some validity but it must be carefully observed and used. Using hypnosis and guided meditation are very risky methods sometimes which can have very unintended consequences to the patients life like from the radio show. Our dreams and long-term memory can be affected by suggestibility as we have seen in Beth’s case where her therapist suggested scenarios that caused her to create fake memories. Suggestibility may sometimes lead to recovered memory but it seems that in most instances it leads to recovering fake memories. From the chapter there are many processes that can affect the access of the memories in our long-term storage. There are retrieval cues (mnemonics), forgetting such as blocking, the persistence of the unwanted memories, and the distortion that can occur in the memory. I feel that these processes can very bypassed but in a safer way that the patient doesn’t get misconstrued memories such as Beth’s. The memories that are found need to be carefully analyzed and observed by the professional/therapist to make sure they are valid instead of creating a deeper darker memory that never existed.
Terms used: repressed memories, dreams, dream analysis, long-term memory, suggestibility, retrieval, mnemonics, blocking, persistence, distortion and memory
This episode of This American Life truly freaked me out. It sounded more like something you'd see on American Horror Story or Law and Order. I looked at some of the other comments and saw that many other students stated that they would never go to a therapist after reading this. That made me a little sad. I've completely overwhelmed myself in my second year of college, so I decided to go to the health clinic and see a therapist. I feel so much better about myself. Therapy can be useful. The therapists talked about in the show were trying to help, but with the repressed memory training they were taught, they were helping in the wrong way. Now therapists are very cautious with the methods used to retrieve the "lost" memories.
It would be terrible to be one of these patients. One describes that it feels like the foundation was being ripped out from your life. You thought you were raised as a happy, loved child with a normal family and then you're told that you were abused in some way as a child.
I think it would be so hard to also be one of the therapists who went through this with the patients. At some point, they would realize that the recovered memories might not be true. And having to contact all of the patients and tell them face to face, would be terrifying and just awful.
Looking at how memory is presented in the textbook, all of this does make sense. Memory can be fickle sometimes. When a memory of childhood is stored in long-term storage, it can be influenced in the retrieval process. And when a trained professional is telling you to try to remember something, you influence your own thoughts and dreams. When you tell the therapist about the new "abuse" dreams they reaffirm, yes, you were abused, and the cycle continues.
I am still a little confused. I wonder how could this method of memory retrieval be taught to therapists when I'm sure that the studies could not be completely conclusive. How many patients and their families probably tried to sue for malpractice?
Terms used:
memory, long-term storage, retrieval, repressed memories, therapist
I really enjoyed this episode of American Life, it is my new favorite episode. I liked it so much because listen to the story about Beth was truly emotional. It was a very sad story. I found the story very interesting as well, in the fact that someone was able to convince someone else about an event that happened in their life that they just don’t remember. I did end up feeling sorry for the client because she had to go back and relive an awful memory. I don’t only feel bad because it was a bad memory but also because the life she lives wasn’t exactly right, which would also be a very dramatic experience. One of the most interesting part was how the therapist was able to use dreaming as a way to bring back the clients memories, I had no clue that such thing was possible to do. This is the part that I also fine very strange because threw this method the therapist was able to convince the client of the memory of her dad sexual abusing her. It took the therapist 18 months to convince her of this fact. The therapist was finally able to convince her that her dreams were flashbacks. The main questions I have about this stories is how on earth can you convince someone to accept the fact that there father sexual abused them as a child just threw dreams. I know that personal if I were the client I would need something a lot more concrete to convince me of something so horrific in my past. Another question I have about the stories is about how her father reacted to all of this and how her relationship is with him now. As far as this treatment goes I think there is nothing wrong with doing it as long as the truth is found or brought out. I feel like everyone deserves to know the truth about their life even if that truth is painful and upsetting. One concept they talked about in the book that was also talked about in this episode was the concept of memory storage, and long-term storage.
Terms: Memory Storage, Dreams, and long-term storage
The episode made me feel really sad. Both the patient and psychologists were trying to do good but the psychologist were actually doing wrong. I’m very close with my family and hearing all these story’s made me think how I would feel if this happened to me. Right now I would say there no way I would think my family ever did anything to me, but from these stories most of the people didn’t imagine that either. The covered memory actually does make sense with the information from the book. In this episode it say the dreams are actually flashbacks. In the book it says how flashbacks aren’t always accurate. Recovered memory recovered from almost all the psychologist was suggestibility. Basically this means that if you are given misleading information, the information affects the memory for the event. This is exactly what the psychologists are doing, they may take it from dream and other things but they combined all that information and make a story. Because the psychologist isn’t support to question the recovered memory process they tell a false story to the patient and over time the think this horrible thing had really happened. To me the recovered memory process is completely wrong to use. Even if that someone had hidden a dark memory, that is very rare, and there are too many people a rise of getting false information put into their head that they shouldn’t use it at all. I still have a lot of questions about recovered memory. Being a patient I just know how you could possibly trust a stranger that there was something tragic that your family did to you when you were young. See if you are really close to your family, I feel like you would trust your family over the psychologist, especially sense they hadn’t done any more things like that in the present day. Most people that do horrible things to their children still show signs of doing this later on in their life too. I’m just saying if this happened to me, the psychologist would have to be incredibly persuasive and then I might have believed them. So from saying that, I believe that we should never use recovered memory even if they might have a repressed memory. Why? Because the people like practitioners and legal scholars tying to fight to use is, will do more harm than good in people’s lives.
Suggestibility, flashbacks, memory, repressed memory, dreams,
I feel shocked. I found it disturbing on so many levels… And now that it is over, that time has passed, it is easy for us to judge and to deem those ideas silly and terribly wrong.
But the truth is a little bit more complicated than this, it is a bit more shady, more grey.
In the early 1900, the so-called scientific theory that had generated a big hype was the eugenist theory, that accepted as a basic axiom that some race were superior to others. Now that we look back, we know this theory to be nothing else than this, a theory…. that most consider as a complete pile of garbage (except for some really strange people belong to ‘’that klan’’).
But the truth is at that time, that theory had all the hype and momentum it needed to be pushed as a so called law. And terrible things happened…
Now when I look at this recovered memory, and its absolute characteristics (you cannot challenge a patient’s thoughts, you need to push deeper into his/her subconscious to unlock what have ‘’truly’’ happened), the fact that no real hard data backed this fancy theory.
This is what happens when people push too fast an idea and try to promote it as a real law.
Even worse, the more far-fetched the theory is at the beginning, the more hardcore its believer will tend to be. I mean, Linda had to hear a really gross story to start disbelieving what she had taken for granted..
And that is one thing we need to make sure before even starting to ask experts. What is the background they come from?? What is it that they preach, and which science actually back their preaching?
And once this is done, we also need to remember that expert are still human, they are flawed. And the more specific their knowledge field is, the more prone they are to try and fit facts to their theories!
Sherlock Holmes taught us that ‘’Don’t ever theorize before you have data. Invariably, you end up twisting facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.’’And often, experts tend to do that.
Another simple way to put it is that if you only have a hammer, every problems become a nail.
Although the idea of recovered memory is not altogether true, there are parts of it that hold some validity. Long term storage of memories is an example of what might give some validity to the recovered memory. This could be applied because we are able to store many memories from very far back. Another component could be implicit memories. This shows that we are able to subconsciously process our memories.
After seeing the horrifying consequences of this so called theories, backed up by many without any real studies (except some basic concepts that could be vaguely interpreted as evidence), the only question I really have concerning the recovered memory movement is this one : How could we allow, as a generation, something so terrible to come to be, and on such a scale? And an even better one would be; How do we prevent it from happening again?
This episode made me feel very empathetic about the experiences that these patients had to go through because of the fallacies that “specialists” made them believe about themselves. I think there may be some grounding for repressed memory theory. As it said in the book, explicit memories in which you do not recall often tend to lose their vividness. This could easily fit into traumatic repressed memory theory. People who have been in these types of situations will purposely forget about them and never recall the memories in order for them to forget them so that they can go on with their lives. The episodic memories of the events that happened to them are purposely stored in a hidden part of the memory in order for us to keep on living a normal life and do what needs to be done to keep the human genome going. I think there is also a problem when looking at reconsolidation of memories. The memories of this traumatic event may be stored so long that when they are finally recalled, the memories may be altered by other life events that have happened over the years. When stored memories are activated and put back to storage, such as in Beth's dreams, the reconsolidation effect happens in which new experiences change the way these memories are remembered. This could easily allow peoples memories to be skewed by the patient or the therapist who forces the client to recall these memories. I think these two theories fit well with each other and prove that maybe we can never really know the truth about everybody's memories due to the large amount of outside factors that have to be brought to consideration.
I have a couple questions regarding recovered memory. First off, how are therapists ever supposed to be able to tell that what the patietns are hearing can ever be considered truthful? They may just be saying these things for various reasons, personal revenge being one of them. There is also the question of whether or not there has been any scientific reasoning or research on how repressed memories work or if it's just a blind skeptic view that only uses common reasoning to back up it's claims?
Overall, this epispode was very interesting. It really got me thinking about the effects of ignorant practices by specialists that are supposed to help us but can sometimes actually make things much much worse. I really got a feeling of the empathy that Linda had about the things she did and how Beth felt for those long years fearing her own family. I learned some very interesting concepts about recovered memory theory and how sometimes certain practices need to mature a bit before they hit the mainstream community of specialists.
Terms: repressed memory theory, explicit memories, episodic memories, reconsolidation of memories,
This was very depressing. I really felt the hurt coming from all of the people who talked about recovering false memories. I can’t even begin to fathom what it would be like to have all of these horrific memories that never happened become a reality. I think back on my oldest childhood memories and they feel so real and sure. I never question whether or not I actually remember some of these things. I can still see the toys I used to have when I was a 2 year old as vividly as I see the computer in front of me today. Teo have something that real and emotional become part of my past would be terrifying. Even worse would be realizing that the memory is a lie. I would have to question every memory I had ever had. How do you tell the real ones apart?
The part that surprised me was the honesty from the therapist. It takes a lot of will power to admit that you have done something so wrong, even if it was not the intent. I think that recovered memory could have a little bit of scientific merit possibly, but not with the guided imagery or suggestions, and it is definitely not worth exploring. Playing with someone’s mind like that is wrong. I don’t think that was the intention of the therapists from that era, but now that we know the consequences, there is no excuse to practice or experiment with it, especially when it is so easy to influence memory. In Act 1, I’m pretty sure they said that simply asking a patient to try and remember something could have a significant impact on the details of the memory.
I want to know why it wasn’t obvious that memory can be distorted through guided imagery and other techniques. Heck, I remember foods/restaurants/movies/songs ever so slightly differently based on what different people say about them. It blows me away that nobody ever spoke up about how stupid it was to basically tell somebody to remember an event over and over. Oh well I guess. At least we know now.
Terms: Recovered memory, suggestion, guided imagery, therapist, experiment
This episode of American Life was definitely a lot different than the others we have watched. When the video began talking about Beth I thought it was going to just talk about her depression mentioned at the way beginning, I had no idea the video was taking a surprising turn. It makes me sick to my stomach that Beth’s therapist basically ruined this family. Beth originally went to the therapist because she was depressed and her parents encouraged her to do so. Beth also had a bad dream about her dad and the therapist immediately thought her patient was molested as a child or something else tragic had happened to her. Beth told her therapist multiple times nothing like that happened to her as a child, however, this didn’t stop her from basically forcing Beth to dig deeper into her past and end up believing something that did not happen. The therapist’s ideas of what happened to Beth eventually got to her and had flashbacks in her dreams and her therapist convinced her it was actual events. Personally, I think if something this horrible happens to you, how would you forget it? In some cases, people may honestly try and shut it out but if happens more than once I don’t see how a person could forget it. I think her therapist went too far in trying to make Beth remember events that did not occur. At some point in the video, Beth said her therapist convinced her she was pregnant and her father tried to abort the child with a hanger. Later on, she reported to have test done and it proved she was still in fact a virgin. The family, still however, was torn apart. Her dad lost his job and lost his daughters. I think therapist’s should have a limit of what they can talk about with their patients. This therapist can not prove Beth was raped by a dream she had. Sometimes dreams do not mean anything and are just bizarre in themselves. Not all therapists are bad like this one. It depends on the therapist and their willingness to help others. Beth therapist’s may have been doing this just for the money or just did not know what she was even doing when going through the therapy process. As far as recovered memory goes, I think people can “forget” certain events as they age but nothing can make a person forget something as tragic as this. The questions I have would be; How could a therapist do this to a family? How could they make someone think someone they loved would do something like this to them? Did all therapist’s tend to do this and make people think things that are way far from the truth? Do they just do it for the money? I think before a person goes to therapy, they need to research and get references from other people because going through what Beth did would be tragedy.
Terms: dreams, forgetting, recovered memory
After watching The American Life, I have come to the conclusion that going to a therapist can actually help me deal with my problems that I am going through. Discussed in the show, the therapists gave their client a conclusion their problems were from a past memory or a traumatic even that they could not remember. Some people are skeptical of going to a therapist because of their research and how they ask question that can be non-useful. Therapist uses a method that makes the patient think and rethink what happened in their lives and try to uncover the true meaning of that event. Repressing memories were brought up and it have me an understanding of much power we have over what we can remember and what we sometimes forget. AS I was furthering listening to the show, it left me shocked about the effects therapist can do, to persuade clients of thinking something bad. In this case, Beth was manipulated into thinking her father sexual abuse her and Linda, her therapist made her dream about her father attacking her. It was awful the control she had and over Beth. It started to make Beth believe this false idea happened and prodded her to act on this thoughts. Her father lost his job and the family tore apart after that. Beth went mental and couldn’t think of the reality vs. what the therapist was saying to her.
Linda in my eyes, is a horrible human being that misused a person for boredom and manipulate. It went so far and Linda did not have any reason of doing what she did. I feel sorry for Beth’s father because of all he went through and that should have not happened in the first place. I feel that strong laws should be past so these cases as such could not be done again. I feel my attitude towards therapist have changed because of this case and to rethink my chose on going to a therapist overall.
Terms: memory, repressing memories, and recovered memory.
After listening to this episode of This American Life I was a little shocked to see that therapy, which is supposed to help people was actually ruining their lives and even their families lives. And although it seems easy to blame the therapists they were just doing what they were taught to do in school. They were never told that people could remember things that never actually happened so the therapists could feel terrible about what they have unintentionally done. These incidences weren't rare either, it was a very widely used practice and many people were very negatively affected by it. The memories that the patients had (although they weren't real memories) were very traumatic, like being sexually abused, or even being forced to eat an arm of a dead fetus. Many of the patients at first didn't believe that they had traumatic experiences, but the persistence of the therapists made them believe that they had repressed memories and began recalling things that never even happened. I don't personally know what its like to meet with a therapist so I can't give insight as to why people would still go to a therapist and this type of help when a majority of the cases have turned out so badly. I also don't understand why therapists would still be trying to treat people using this method since it is such a rare thing and with all the bad outcomes with therapists being sued for causing false memories.
Psychological terms: Memory, Repressed
After listening to this episode of this American Life, it made me conclude one thing from what I heard. I think it would be very hard for me to go see a therapist now. The Recovered Memory Movement was something that happened during the 1990s. Many people began seeking therapeutic help for their problems and were told that the source of their problems could be traced to traumatic events they couldn’t even remember, to memories that had to be recovered through special techniques. The treatment was obviously meant to help the person, but in most cases it made the situation much worse than it was in the first place. The first example that really bothered me was of the woman named Beth. Beth had gone to a therapist and while she was going was led to believe that her father had raped her when she was a young child. She was very upset because she had not even remembered such a thing and never thought something like that had happened. Eventually, the psychological strain was taking a toll on Beth and was having a very difficult time. Her therapist saw this as a sign to work harder. The therapist then pressured Beth into making the story public and pressing charges against her own father. Her father lost everything in the process. He had no job and often had thoughts of suicide. The idea that Beth’s father had abused her when she was little was completely false. Through the therapy sessions, Beth was given this impression. Although this was false, you may wonder how someone could forget such a large event, good or bad, that had happened in their life. It is because our memories can be distorted because each person perceives different things in a much different way. Distortion occurs in memory in four ways: memory bias, flashbulb memories, and misattribution. Memory bias is the changing of memories over time so that they become consistent with our current beliefs or attitudes. Misattribution, on the other hand, occurs when we misremember the time, place, person, or circumstances involved with a memory. Source amnesia is a form of misattribution that occurs when we have a memory for an event but cannot remember where we encountered the information. Surprisingly, this happens very often and is the reason some people may be led to believe that their “visions” actually happened the exact way they envisioned it. Linda Ross, a therapist, was one of the first to start to question recovered memory tactics. One of her clients explained of a very disturbing vision she had of her mother helping with an abortion and eventually frying the fetus in oil and eating it. Linda realized that this had probably never happened. She confronted her client directly and sent her to a specialist to attempt to help her with her problems even more. Recovered memory works very seldom. When is does work effectively it is extremely rare because each person’s memory is so complex and different. I think that when seeking a therapist, you should be extremely careful and mindful of what you will be doing and the kind of treatment the therapist does.
Terms: recovered memory, distortion, memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution
The episode was pretty frustrating to hear for me. I cannot believe that these therapists practiced these techniques that were part of the recovered memory movement. Many of the ideas behind seem very Freudian in nature, (such as repressed childhood trauma) and as time has passed, Freud’s theories have been more and more scrutinized and dismissed by the psychological community. I didn’t find much in the textbook that supports the recovered memory movement, but rather how our memories of an event can be tricked and how we can be misled. For example, reconsolidation is when new circumstances affect our memory of an event, and they are changed when they are reconsolidated into long-term storage. Not only could those memories be changed, but it’s likely that different memories can be created that never occurred, like physical or sexual abuse. This could definitely happen if the patient is asked to imagine themselves at a young age and/or if the therapist jumps to conclusions. The dream interpretation that was part of Beth’s story is also suspect, as dreams cannot be directly defined as an event from the past, and dreams are just hard to interpret as a whole, and might contradict what we know about ourselves and the people around us (like your father sending bears after you). Suggestibility is also a big factor in all of this. When given misleading information, people’s memories of that event are affected, and they can produce false information because of it. This fits perfectly with the show’s story.
Science, especially psychology, is often filled with theories that are supported. But as with all science, not everything that is widely believed may be correct, and can even cause major problems for all parties involved. The example of the recovered memory movement devastated the families and their relationships, even leading some parents to want to commit suicide, like Beth’s father. It gives therapy in general a bad name even though it can be very helpful for a lot of people (including myself). Therapists just need to make sure they are sure of something as serious as abuse before they draw any conclusions, and also realize how malleable memory is, so that situations like these don’t ever happen, because not only does it harm the patients and their families, but the therapists themselves when they put themselves in their patient’s shoes and realize what they had done. Even if the ideas and theories are supported, it’s always good to question and really analyze them before whole-heartedly accepting them as the truth.
Terms: memory, reconsolidation, long-term storage, suggestibility, repression
I personally think that therapy is a very very helpful and can be life changing event in anyone's life. I think that is also very hard to see how it can be helpful if you have never had the experience. However, I think that the form of therapy that was presented in this broadcast is totally circumstantial. I think that the idea of recovering memories is very complicated to me. In this broadcast it talks about a woman who went to a therapist and was asked if she had received any kind of traumatic sexual abuse from her parents. At first she answers no not at all very shocked. Throughout the duration of her therapy the therapist has her read these books that talk about people who had been abused. She starts to have vivid dreams that her father is having bears attack her, and later she starts to have even more vivid dreams of her being attacked and abused. For a while her therapy appointments consisted of her just expressing her dreams to the therapist. Her therapist proceeded to tell her that those were not dreams they were actually experiences that she had endured and she was now swing them in the form of flashbacks, and in order to cope she had forced herself to forget. The therapist said that it was her body's coping method in order to heal itself.
The reason that I said recovering memory or suppressed memory is complicated is because I do not believe that there is a black and white answer of whether or not it is helpful or not. I do not necessarily agree that every reason that someone is facing hard life and or mental problems is stemmed because of some traumatic event, and that we can simply not remember these really terrible events that happened to us. I believe that life in general can really just become over whelming and not only is it normal but most people experience this at least once in their lifetime and they need help in order to over come this. However, that is not to suggest that I think this memory is not helpful at all. In fact it is quite the contrary I think that forgetting traumatic events or suppressing feelings is a very real thing and I totally agree that our body copes with these things the best way it can by forgetting. With that being said I think that the way the therapist went about retrieving repressed would be extremely beneficial. The only problem is the fine line of whether there was traumatic abuse present or not. I do agree that is there was never traumatic events and one in convinced or persuaded to think there was, I believe that is extremely confusing and counter productive.
As far as whether or not there was a connection between the text and recovered memory, I think the text definitely presented a concrete definition and example of what recovered memory is. However his broadcast was very helpful in the way that it gave a terrific example and gave a different and unique perception in order to really challenge the mind of the audience. The only question that I have after listening to this broadcast would be how can we better decide what patient is a good candidate or recovering repressed memories. How do we know if someone truly experienced traumatic life events, or not?
Psychological terms: flashbacks, repressed memory, recovered memory, traumatic,
This story of The American Life is uneasy to listen to. Throughout this radio session I found myself getting really mad at their stations, I compared these events to my own life and have decided I never want to go to a therapist and figure out what some of my dreams mean, sometimes its just better not to know everything. When people second guess someone and constantly question them about one particular subject would be annoying to anyone. To suddenly have someone tell you that any crazy dreams that you have had are really flashbacks instead of just a dream or nightmare is uneasy. Guided hypnosis can be good for those who have actually had a traumatic event happen to them but personally I don’t think it is right to used guided hypnosis on the average day person.
Beth has an interesting story. I do not agree with Beth’s therapist force of an ultimatum. That should have been Beth’s decision to approach him or file charges on the situation. Listening to her story it appeared to me like a lot of false accusations. personally to me falsely accusing someone of something is important. I have personally seen too many times someone accused of something they did not do, their lives permanently changed for worse. A persons reputation is something that is so fragile and one can not easily repair it once something bad is said about them. I grew up learning the rule for everyone bad thing you say about someone you need to say five good things to cover up that one bad thing.
I think recovered memory is ridiculous, to me it seems as though this therapist is feeding people lies about what they think happened in ones life. What if the memories were something that happened from a movie or a book or something that one interpret into their own life? There are so many different possibilities that could concur from these memories. I am still confused as to how people can go on living peacefully knowing they used false recovered memory to diagnosis someone.
Terms used: recovered memory, hypnosis, guided, therapist
After listening to this episode of The American Life it made me really wonder about therapists and how they do what they do. This episode also made me feel bad for the girl’s family because they went through so much. One client went to her therapist and told her about a dream she had about being chased by a bear and her father and the therapist took this as a flashback to her childhood and so she asked her if she was ever abused. The client was in awe that she would even ask that, but her therapist was convinced that is what happened to her.
One thing that was very interesting to me from this episode was when the client was explaining how she was put into a hypnosis state and told her therapist the story of what really happened between her and her father. The client has no memory of telling her therapist the story but her therapist took notes recalling them to her client. She was horrified on what had really happened. Two and half years after therapy Beth was convinced to go public with what she had said happened to her. From this episode I learned that if people are given mislead information, it can change the memory of what really happened.
A topic that was covered in the episode and the book is long-term storage. Long-term storage is a memory storage system that allows relatively permanent storage, probably of an unlimited amount of information. I think this is where the therapist is coming from because even if memories are stored here, they can be altered still causing the memory to change.
The terms I used were therapist, hypnosis, long-term storage, and memory.
I have never felt the need to go to therapist because I feel that I have never had any large problems in my life, I have had traumatic events occur through my life but none that was great enough to make me want to visit a therapist. I am personally amazed for how these therapists could play what I like to think mind games. We as people have a mind that is easily to trick when we talk to people who we fully trust. The first story of the therapist making the women believe that she was sexually abused as a child. The therapist was able to make her believe that her dreams were actually flashbacks to her childhood. This therapist was able to actually change the woman’s long term memory and made her think that her father actually suffered from sexual abuse. The science of this is not very strong but this method that the therapist is using is actually used and helps bring repressed memories back to the surface. The therapist though in this story was able to make this women truly believe that her father was awful which affected the women’s health. The therapist truly believed that she was bettering her which is ridiculous to me. The therapist went into so much depth that she convinced the women to take this to court, the father lost his job, reputation, and his entire family, he was crushed. This therapist did not help the woman but she ruined a family and almost drove a man to commit suicide. I am now rethinking about the recovered memory movement after listening to this episode. I really want to know the consequences the practitioners are faced with if they use this method of therapy. The thought that a person can make another person believe that they have repressed memories that are actually false was actually not surprising to me because I think of times when someone tells a story and they change slight details and believe those details really happened is a common occurrence. At the end of this story she become very afraid of her father when in reality she had no reason to ever be afraid of him. I do not think all therapists are bad people or if this therapist had bad intentions but the amount of power a therapist has over a patient should be more considered and not taken for granted.
Terms- long term storage- repressed memory- recovered memory movement
This episode was very interesting to me because of what happened to Beth. I personally have never had the need to go to a therapist because I have never really had any traumatic events happen to me in my life. I have never the type of person who gets depressed, I never really had a reason to be. The story was very sad in how the therapist basically forced her to believe in things that just were not true. After listening to the radio broadcast i believe that recovered memory has some validity but that does not mean that every person in the world has repressed some horrible memory. I believe that because of the time period the therapist was just trying to her job. I don't believe that her intentions were to damage this girl psychologically and to mess up her and her families lives. Making Beth read all the books about child abuse is what I think made her start having those dreams. Often times in my life I dream about a similar situation that I was in that day. For example, if I was at a bar that night it would increase the chance of me dreaming about being in a bar. I think that long term storage is probably one of the main causes of how you would go about forgetting the traumatic event. If you brain is never thinking about the event, after a long period of time if it is not useful anymore it will be replaced by more reoccurring memories. The best example I can think of this happening to me is the event of 9/11. I was in kindergarden and I have no memory of the school day. What I do remember is what I had done when I got home. Since it was in 2001 not many people people had cable yet, as we did not. So everyday when I got home I would watch the cartoons on one of the local channels, but not this day. On every single channel was the smoking towers, and being five years old I was not aware of what was going on I was just pissed that I couldn't watch cartoons. I ended up shutting the t.v. off and playing outside, but that is all I remember. Now I don't know if the day at school is a suppressed memory or maybe it just wasn't that important and I lost it in my memory because I was growing up and needed room for other memories. The main question I would have is if you do recover memories and it is through a therapist, how would you be able to know if it is valid information? What if you were one of the cases like Beth where you were just being forced to believe in something that did not happen. Are psychologists today research further in depth on how memory recovery works and trying to find other strategies to do so?
Terms: Psychologists, Therapist, Long-term memory, Recovered memory, Dreams.
I have been to many different therapists throughout my life. I can say some are better than others. The ones I saw when I was younger, due to my parent’s separation I realized after watching this were feeding me full of lies. The recent one I saw was very good. She discussed the problems I had gone through and was going through at the time. She didn’t try to get me to believe in events that never occurred, but gave me advise in how to fix them. In the cases of Recovery Memory Movement I would say no to a therapist. Instead of creating solutions the therapists made a bigger problem. The book says past memories can be activated and changed by new contexts. Like repressed memories, reconsolidated memories are vulnerable to suggestibility. The book also brings up a possibility that goes along with repressed memory where they question whether bad memories can be erased when they are activated and then interfered with.
I can’t believe that the therapist took advantage of the girls dream and what it meant. She kept asking her questions about if her father was abusive to her or is she was sexually assaulted. The girl with bad dream knew for a fact that she never was and knew for a fact. It surprised me how much the therapist wanted her to believe she was.
I want to know if patients went back to therapy after these incidents. Do many therapists practice this method? Or is it not as often used? I understand that I have repressed memories and my mind doesn’t bring the memories out because it is something I don’t want to remember. But in certain circumstances my mind can recall memories that may have never happened at anytime in my life.
Terms: Repressed Memory, Recovery Memory Movement, Dream, Therapist, Memory
I remember one time a while ago that I had read something that went along the lines of this: A certain person decided to convince their friend that they had gone on a ski trip with them. When asked about this the friend, at first, had no recollection of going on this ski trip. After some more pushing and prodding from this certain person, their friend then “remembered” this trip and went to go on and talk about different “experiences” that they had on this trip. This puzzled me for a long time, and I’ve thought about this story in different times in my life wondering if I too could convince someone of a false experience.
I thought about this story as I listened to Act 1 describe about the horrible “repressed memories” that psychologists had convinced their patients that they had experienced. I’m baffled that the mind, the most powerful organ in a human’s body, can be influenced and manipulated by others to recall information that had never even happened! It’s like talking out of your ass but believing every word you say. It’s scary, in a way, if you look back on your own childhood and wonder if those memories you had of it were even real. Personally, I do believe that I had a wonderful and structural childhood, but it seems weird that others think that also and then out of the blue (with help of psychologists) believe they had be traumatized as a child.
At first when I listened to Beth’s story I could only think of what a horrible person this psychologist was. She had torn apart Beth’s life and her family. Then I stopped to think. If this psychologist truly believed what was being said then she was just being as manipulated as Beth was. I don’t think the therapist had meant to create such horrible, fake memories. I was even more convinced of this when psychologist Linda Ross talked about her experience. She believed that recovered memory was a sound practice within psychology. In ways it was her fault because she helped create these false memories for her patients, but also she didn’t know any better. I feel bad for her because doctrine in her field of studies, in her career, weren’t completely correct and she had been practicing a poor method of trying to help people (in which case were doing the opposite and actually hurting her patience). Of course I understand that this recovered memory concept can be entirely true. People can repress horrible, traumatizing experiences in their life. It’s a coping mechanism that helps that person carry on through life like nothing ever happened. I know I’ve personally have felt pain and emotion that I wouldn’t want others to feel so I really think about them, but those who have gone through ghastly horrid events in their life can push those memories completely out.
I really do wonder how this works though, psychologically speaking. I wonder how is it possible that someone can manipulate a person’s brain and childhood into believing false events. It really just amazes me that people can have a power like that.
Terms: Recovered (repressed) memory
After listening to the radio talk show, I felt a little on edge about ever being able to see a therapist. I understand they are not trying to make your life terrifying, but this radio talk show made it seem that way. I have never had anything traumatic happen to me, so I never had to go see someone for problems, or to figure out what has happened to me. When I think of repressed memory I at first didn’t think it would be all bad memories. I have had experiences where I forgot something has happened, and down the road it could be brought up, and then I can recall that happening. Well the technique repressed memory in the radio talk show is talking about problems, and telling them they have been abused, or having something bad happen. They make you believe that you have had trauma happen to you. Even if you know nothing has happened. They begin trying all these treatments, hypnosis, tricking patients into thinking bad things have had happen.
In the talk show there is a women who is going to see a therapist about her dreams of her father having bear go after her. Well after the patient went to the therapist she asked if she has ever been abused, she knew her and father had a very good relationship with her father and that is why the dreams were very confusing to her. After starting the treatments with the therapist she made her believe that she encountered abuse by her father. She made her think of things she wore in her childhood and built stories off of the information she was giving her making her think it happened. I couldn’t imagine how terrifying it was, you thinking you were never abused, and using the method repressed memory. Many patients that go through this go into depression. In this case she dropped 80 pounds, and took pills. Her therapist thought she would use this as her not doing well enough, and needed to dig deeper, which would only make the situation worse. I reread some parts in the chapter to get more information about repressed memories, and to get a better look.
Repressed memories are hypothesized memories having been unconsciously blocked, due to the memory being associated with a high level of stress or trauma. The theory postulates that even though the individual cannot recall the memory, it may still be affecting them consciously. The existence of repressed memories is a controversial topic in psychology; some studies have concluded that it can occur in victims of trauma, while others dispute it. According to some psychologists, repressed memories can be recovered through therapy. Other psychologists argue that this is in fact rather a process through which false memories are created by blending actual memories and outside influences.
With having this little of information about repressed memory, and how affective it can be I think therapist should be able to perform on little to no people. It is a dangerous performance especially when the trauma is not true. It can turn people into doing bad things, and even be sick. Linda lost a lot of weight, she did pills. Her father then got charged and moved far away and had to not be in any contact with his daughters, he also had thought of suicide. It is a very traumatic therapy. I don’t understand how it works, or why it is even performed.
Some questions I have is did this therapist ever question if she was not actually going through traumatic events, and if they were just performing this task. If this accident was not true did the therapist ever get charged due to this performance? How do they even begin to think that they were abused? Do they just build off stories, making up things as they go? I don’t think that this should be done. It is a very awful story to listen to.
Terms: repressed memory, traumatic, dreams
At the very start of this episode I got like mad that the therapist jumped to conclusion about Beth’s father assaulting her. Just because she was having bad dreams about her dad doesn’t mean he touched her inappropriately. If that was me I would have freaked out or gone to another therapist because that wouldn’t be wrong. It took Beth 18 months to believe what her therapist was saying, and she became really withdrawn from her family, stopped eating, and her memories would keep coming back. Beth’s therapist used guided imagery to get Beth into a hypnotized state and that’s when the story came out. My mood went from confused from thinking that from a dream you got that Beth was sexually assaulted, too shock and disgusted that it had actually happened and her brain could put those memories behind. Then after so many sessions she started to remember specific details about things like a curling iron, being pregnant and having a coat hanger abortion, but when she went to the doctor it took him less than 15 minutes to figure out she was a virgin. I started to get a little skeptical when her therapist kept telling her to out her dad to the public, which I didn’t think was right because he had a good job, and when she gave her the papers I felt like it was more for the therapist than for Beth. When Linda started talking about the woman who remembered her mom making her eat a fetus’ arm it freaked me out. I couldn’t imagine that, but when she said she didn’t believe it, it got me thinking. Could all these memories people have be true? I thought it was a good idea that Linda sent that girl on because she didn’t want to work with a patient she couldn’t believe. When Beth saw her father for the first time she realized that her image of her father in her head is not the man who was standing next to her. I could not believe how hard it would be to apologize to families that you affected by having their children have recovered memories that aren’t true. I would have a hard time forgiving someone who put my family through what Beth’s did.
Recovered memory is an interesting topic, and I feel that trying to figure out what patients memories are true, and which ones are false. I think some people who go into these therapy sessions want to find out something traumatic that happened to him. Memory distortion can play a role here, because it proves that our memory can be flawed. I know people who change the way they remember things to make sure they don’t get in trouble, and sooner or later that lie will become what they think is the truth. I don’t think we can rely on memories very much, like William Jackson who served five years in jail for something he didn’t do because the description of the person remembered was close to his. I don’t think memory in crime instances is reliable because the suggestibility of memories creates a lot of problems.
It’s a good thing for the people who are able to put traumatic experiences behind them like the girl who witnessed her father murder two people, but it makes me wonder why war veterans suffer from PTSD. I think that therapists have a hard time trying to figure out what recovered memories are true and which are false. At the beginning of this episode it got me thinking about what things I might have repressed. Even just thinking that I thought the worst of the worst, thus showing how people getting the idea of them having a traumatic event, they could come up with one. This episode made me think of how at nights sometimes when I can’t sleep because I know my boyfriend is out and about I think about all that is doing, and I have accused him of things because of dreams I have had about it. Then when I wake up and try to decipher those dreams it makes me think that he is cheating on me. That’s not fair to him or me to think that but it’s like I can’t help it. Once the thought goes through my mind that something could happen, it escalates into something much bigger that I get emotional about when it didn’t happen.
Terms: Memory, Hypnotized, Recovered Memory, Memory Distortion, Suggestibility, PTSD, Repressed
This epidsode of This American Life made me mad at the psychologists of this era. The fact that they were leading people to believe horrible things had happened to them ruined some people's lives. These therapists were using poor techniques that did more harm than good, but it wasn't the fault of the therapists that were using these techniques. The blame lies with the research psychologists that were relaying that this is how things should be done. They were taught to dig deeper for the meaning of something like dreams even if there is no meaning there in order to find repressed memories, and in the process they were able to convince their patients that something terrible had happened. This culture of therapy created more problems than it solved, and the careless use of psychological studies cost people families, friends, jobs and more.
After going over the chapter again it reinforces that these practices were wrong. The therapists in the This American Life episode gave their patients materials to read or consider for long periods of time that had to deal with a traumatic situation, so after thinking about the horrific materials for so long it was inevitable that it would end up in their dreams. After a patient would dream something bad they would tell their therapist, and the therapist would immediately assume that something like that had happened to them as a kid but it was being repressed. What was really happening was the person was being conditioned so hard to think one way that their brain was eventually convinced that it happened so it made up a story of something awful. The section of the book about long-term storage and reconsolidation of memories backs up this fact because it states that a person's memories of an event can be changed by new contexts in their life. By conditioning the patients to think like something bad had happened they were definitely creating new context for the patient. With all that being said I do think the brain does have the ability to repress tragic memories, but I think it is such a rare case that a therapist shouldn't go looking for something like that.
After listening to this episode I am still wondering why most of the therapists that practiced this technique haven't come out and apologized for the damgage they have done to people's families and lives. The therapist from the video came clean and met with some of the victimized families at an event that they sponsored. The families forgave her for what she did because she didn't do any of this on purpose she was simply following the protocol of the time. I think if the other therapists are as innocent as her they should just come clean about the whole situation and tell their side of the story to the families and apologize for the harm they caused.
Psychological terms: Psychologist, therapists, dreams, repressed memories, condition, contexts, long-term storage, reconsolidation of memories, memories
It disturbed me while listening to the audio episode because people were trusting psychologists to honestly help them and help them get better, but instead psychologists were affecting the patients in a way that tore apart the patient. Not only does it bring stress and pain to the patient to believe that his family has abused him in horrific ways, but it also affects the family because they are being accused of such heinous acts. The father on the episode sounded so distraught and broken from losing his job, reputation and family trust. It could have been avoided too if Beth’s psychologist knew more about repressed memories and how they could be false. Of course no one at that time thought that the idea that some repressed memories could be false. Which makes me think that whoever comes up with such theories should question it until there are no more questions to ask about it. The book starts off with the fact that our memories are not like a video recorder. Memories can be short, biased, and distorted. They are our perception of what happened. Knowing this simple truth could raise some questions that maybe what everyone says is not true. Not only that, but there is a lot of exposure now a days to graphic scenes of abuse on the TV. A patient in recovered memory therapy could have seen something and suffer from a common case of misattribution or cryptomnesia. Another thing is if someone had repressed memories from a bad event would not they have symptoms of an unconscious fear that the patient would not notice but everyone else would? Let’s say that a little girl was taken to a dark alley by her father where he abused her. She repressed that memory but wouldn’t her unconscious keep her out of dark areas because that’s where she learned bad things would happen? Also if a person does have repressed memories the memory was repressed for a reason so that the person would be able to function in life. Reopening those wounds will not help the patient with her daily problems or how she feels for that day.
Terms used: Memory, misattribution, distortion, cryptomnesia
Psychology
10/09/2014
Therapists are only doing their job when it comes to telling people the honesty of their situation. In a majority of times talking to a therapist can really help people in time of need and understanding. But in the situation the family was in it had to be hard and really sad. And the therapist did not help at all. As the story went on I found it hard and harder not to get upset about their situation. This shows that your mind has its own powerful and crazy thinking. Its very important to try and keep control over all aspects of mental therapy with sincere thought.
Memories are altered every time someone recalls a situation. Because the recovered memory never acts in the same way twice. In the book, there’s an article about a pill that was suppose to make people forget certain memories. Every time a memory for a horrible event comes up a therapist helps the patient to recall the memories and they would soon become less irritating for the patient. This explains how therapists get people to believe they were harassed, or sexually abused. People can be influenced into believing that something happened. Recovered memory is something psychologists put in their patients head.
Terms: recovered memory
This episode made me feel sad. Listening to these people recount their experiences through therapy. These people trusted their therapist and they were let down. Instead of recovering they worsened the problems. This episode reaffirmed the book when saying that memories are vulnerable to suggestion. I am sad for people who have listened to this episode and are now afraid to seek any type of psychological help. Although these are cases of failure due to a mislead professional, therapy can be very beneficial for some people. The key is to be always be aware of yourself and trust yourself.
I have had my own experiences with therapy and I can understand where these people are coming from. A relationship between patient and therapist is special. It is built on trust and understanding. A patient looks up to their therapist. It would be horrifying to find out that the person you trusted was wrong and wasn’t actually helping. I also feel bad for these therapists who were taught the wrong thing by people they looked up to. These techniques were not scientifically tested but preached anyways. The fundamental rule was to not disbelieve your clients. This poor girl deteriorated as a human. In this episode one girl was highlighted. She grew up in a good household with loving parents. Through this terrible therapy sessions this girl began to believe that she was sexually abused as a child. She dropped to eighty pounds and was completely withdrawn from her family. This is truly awful. Repressed memory therapy ruined this poor family. The dad in the clip was a good father and would have never thought about harming his children. He lost his job, became suicidal, lost his family, and had a soiled reputation.
Although it was sad, this episode was extremely interesting. This idea of recovered memory reminds me of hypnosis. These people were so convinced that these thoughts that we conjured up were true things that actually happened to them. According to the textbook some of recovered memory does make some sense. For example, the idea of misattribution of memory. Misattribution is occurs when we misremember the time, place, person, or circumstance involved with a memory. Although recovered memory is similar it is also completely different. Most of these recovered memories never actually happened. They were completely made up and strung together by dreams and lies that these people were convinced were actually the truth. Another thing from the textbook that makes recovered memory make some sense is suggestibility. It is the idea that long term memories are extremely vulnerable to suggestion. It can create serious problems for society especially in the justice system in the sense of eyewitness accounts.
This episode was very thorough but I still have some questions about the idea of recovered memories. Is the idea of recovered memories being studied now? What have psychologists done since the nineties to prove that these memories are false? How often is a true repressed memory recovered? What are some accounts of less extreme cases? Are these types of recovered memory techniques still used today? Should they be allowed to be practiced? What is another method to recovering a memory that is truly repressed and actually happened in the patients life?
Psych terms: recovered memory, repressed memory, hypnosis, misattribution of memory, suggestibility, memory, therapy, Repressed memory therapy
Alberto Sveum
I believe to a certain extent it is appropriate to try and recover repressed memories, but it seems like all of these cases of malpractice happen when too many loose connections are made. If the filter theory is applied to this concept, that the brain chooses what it wants to remember, I would think that some stimuli would at least help evoke some painful memories. The chapter talked a lot about possible medications to eliminate certain memories, but I am skeptical that this would be completely possible without medication. If a memory were to go extinct, it would still have a chance to be recovered without some wild story line that is almost instilled by a psychologist.
I wonder what various scholars would have to say in regards to the morality of erasing memories. I also wonder if there will ever be a fully accurate way to recall past repressed experiences. I doubt it, being that our subjectivity already has a full potential to be flawed. It really seems like from this article that much of this memory recovery process is a false concept. Could this benefit someone, and could repressed memories likely cause psychological issues? I believe so, but there needs to be a better way to find this out than forming a very questionable narrative by asking hard to answer questions.
The only thing that could lead me to believe this is a worthwhile practice is the fact that implicit memories definitely impact people. Also that the brain is very powerful, so it wouldn’t be unbelievable if it had the capability of burying something unpleasant deep down.
Psychological terms: repressed memory, filter theory, extinction
This was an interesting episode to listen to. The subject of 'Recovered Memory' is somewhat personal for me. My mothers cousin and pretty much the same story as Beth. She went to therapy and was told she was repressing memories. By suggestibility, she finally determined that she and her sister were sexually abused by their father as children. Her sister denied that any of it had happened. And no one believed her. She cut ties with the family and moved away. She still believes that she was abused. And everyone in my family asks as though she doesn't exist. I was very pleased when listening to this episode to find that Beth and her family got back together.
I think that it is few and far between that a case is actually true, because of the stories that have been debunked and because of my own family. I think that it is quite harmful. Our books talk about how memories can be altered, and are even altered simply because we remember them, the more times you access a memory the more you change it. I can't even think of a situation where 'Recovered Memory' would be useful, unless it is a fact that a traumatic thing happened to that person and they have pieces of their memory missing.
I am just upset that their are still therapists trying to use this technique when it has been proven to not work.
Terms: recovered memory, repressed memories, suggestibility, memory
This episode about the Recovered Memory made me feel uneasy. It also made me feel hurt and sad for the patients that had to go through this experience. The recovered memory movement should have never happened, but it did because of therapists and what they were taught to believe in. This episode made me think a lot and made me ask myself multiple questions of how and why this even happened to thousands of young patients. The Recovered Memory episode made me feel uneasy and hurt because these therapists were not helping anyone they were hurting everyone they had meetings with. For example with the nineteen year old girl, named Beth, her whole life changed because of one therapist who saw her dreams as repressed memories from her childhood that represented her dad abusing her. This was wrong in so many ways. This therapist not only ruined Beth’s life but also her dad’s life, whose name is Tom. Tom lost his job, friends, and family. He lost everything just because of one therapist who was not doing their job correctly. After listening to the whole episode I became to feel mad and angry at all of the therapists that did this to a lot of individuals. I was angry because they violated their patient’s thoughts and memories that never happened, which in return violated their life and lifestyle.
I think that some recovered memories make sense or have some validity. Most of the recovered memories that make sense would have to be memories that you forget after a long-period of time, such as memories that are stored in your long-term storage. Also they have to be real to have some validity even if some of the little things that you observed have changed. For example with the story of Beth, her recovered memories are neither real or make sense. These memories that were brought up by her therapist were distorted. They became distorted through the dreams that she was having about her dad, and how her dad would send a bear to chase her. Her therapist took these dreams to her advantage and distorted them to make them seem real. This is an example of memory bias, where memories are changed over time to be consistent with current beliefs or attitudes. Beth’s therapist took her dreams has a repressed memory and made Beth “remember” them and changed her thought about how her dad actually did abuse her. This memory bias is known as a distortion in a memory. This bias never happened but Beth’s therapist made it seem like it was real based on Beth’s attitude toward her father, and how she thought there was something going on just because of those dreams about her dad and the bear.
My main question is still about how this recovered memory movement even started and why these therapists did what they did. Another question I am still confused about is why didn't Beth’s therapist talk about what she did and why hasn't she apologized for messing up Beth’s life and her dad’s life. A question from the perspective of legal scholars that are trying to fight it, is how are there still practitioners using this method and why isn't it illegal. Also why don’t these practitioners who used this method in the 1990’s speak up about it and why they did it?
Psychological terms: Recovered Memory, Repressed Memories, Long-term Storage, Memory Bias, Beliefs, and Distortion.
This episode of recovered memory made me feel a little uncomfortable. From what I heard people can experience traumatic events in their life and completely forget about them to cope with them, but sometimes therapists can put those thoughts in their head. Just like the girl who was just having weird dreams about her dad trying to send bears at her. The therapists later said her dreams weren’t just dreams they were past experiences that she forgot about. I’m uncomfortable with this episode because I never knew that some therapists can manipulate your brain to thinking something happened even if it’s far from true, even if they aren’t doing it on purpose. Some elements of recovered memory make sense like repressing memories of a traumatic event just so you move on in life. Being able to do that is rare though so therapists shouldn’t expect every weird dream could mean something that never happened. I have a few questions still about recovered memory. Are professors teaching students now about the effects of this and letting the students know what recovered memory is? If the patient, like in the episode, shows she is getting better just after two sessions is it worth bringing all of this up? Overall, I think it’s crazy that therapists can make you think something happened even if it didn’t and that people who are going to school and current therapists need to be informed of what recovered memory is and the dangers of it. Terms used: Dreams, repressed memories, memory, therapists, recovered memory.
I have never been to a therapist because I have never needed to, but if anything traumatic happens to me, I can’t say that I would be going. I have had some friends and family that have gone to sessions for traumatic events that have happened, and to be honest, I can only thing of one person in particular that has made major improvements from going. I know that it is in their profession to ask questions that make the patient think and rethink what has happened in their lives and attempt to discover a reasoning for such events, but I feel as if some of the practices that they do are a little too much at times. I can’t imagine there is much validity of the recovered memories when it comes from the assistance of a therapist.
In the case in the show, Beth had thought long and hard about her child life and could never remember her father sexually assaulting her as a child, until the therapist put it in her head. Once her therapist encouraged her to read about rape and their victims, and she began to make herself believe and “remember” that instances had happened, influencing her brain to dream such things during her sleep. And because this therapist put these images in Beth’s brain, her father’s life came crashing down around him because he lost his job and all of his good friends. After Beth started to get better by ending communication with her therapist, it really makes me ask if anything a therapist says is really and actually helpful. And once Beth was reunited with her father in the kitchen, the memories of the good father he was to her comes back.
The textbook talks about how in long-term storage some memories can be forgotten. These memories can be triggered again after something that reminds the person of that memory. As the therapist talks to the patient in the room and forces him/her to remember those thoughts, the patient suddenly will wake up and can’t remember anything that had happened. This was because she was put into a hypnotic state that can alter your thoughts, and when you’re in that state the therapist can connect those words and communicate with you the possible reasons why the patient said some of the things that were going through their head at the time.
I understand that when you are abused or assaulted as a child the memories get shoved back into the back of the mind hoping to never be drawn out again. And if the happens why the therapist needs to reopen the wounds that the patient felt as a child during the occurances. I had a friend who was abused as a child and not too long ago went to therapy and every time she came home she just couldn’t stop crying. She had pushed down those memories so she wouldn’t remember them, but the therapist pried them out of her. I don’t understand this and I wished that therapists understood how much these memories would hurt the patient and would quit. My friend ended up not going to anymore of her sessions due to the stress these memories were bringing her. She said that she would rather completely forget about the instances and never bring up those memories ever again even if that meant her abuser walks free.
Words: recovered memory, REM sleep, long-term memory, hypnotic
This episode really surprised and shocked me. I think that the part of memory that makes the most sense would be retrieval. The woman who had been abused by her father as a child somehow had kept that in her memory but she was having a hard time retrieving it. I still have many questions about recovered memory and the recovered memory movement because it’s hard for me to understand how there could be such a tragic memory that we aren’t able to remember. I have always thought that our most tragic memories are the ones we remember and think about the most. A lot of the bad times I have had in my life I remember very clearly, so it’s scary to think about there being a time where I don’t remember what has happened. After listening to this it made a lot of sense to me though how some of those extremely tragic memories especially as a child can be hidden from our memory to try and save ourselves.
Psychological terms: retrieval, recovered memory
Ricardo Garza
This broadcast made me feel uncomfortable. I feel like as people we should feel safe enough to go to a therapist without having our memories being messed with. The therapist tries to make the young lady in the broadcast believe that she has been abused as a child and that is why she is having scary dreams at night. The lady then says that she was not abused as a child and that she does not remember any sign of abuse or any experiences of abuse with her family. But then the therapist talks about how repression makes you not remember certain tragic or mind bottling experiences. The therapist goes on to try and use the process of guided imagery and hypnosis to try and make the dreams an actual memory.
As I continued to listen to the broadcast I noticed that the life of the victim was definitely affected by what this therapist was doing and this sense of fear had arisen. The idea that her life was happy and perfect as a child was all gone and for her therapist to tell her so, I find astonishing. When I think of recovered memory from the chapter I think that it is bogus after listening to this broadcast. I think that the trick of hypnosis can give us the idea that we have made a memory, but in reality it never actually happened at all.
Some questions I have about recovered memory why people try to undergo the process of recovering memories that never happened. From this broadcast I wonder why people would want to actually undergo something as terrible as placing memories in the brain that never actually happened. I question what are some penalties for a therapist to practice recovering memories on a patient.
Terms: memory, therapy, guided imagery, hypnosis, repression, dream, recovered memory
This episode really came as a shock to me. I started going to therapy this year to help with my anxiety, and we this topic never came up. When we do talk about my dream, (which can be really strange,) my therapist reassures me that they are not real. Mostly to help me remember there is no reason to be afraid of my dreams. I can understand how some people may be concerned about going to therapy after this, but I think the important thing to do is to process what the therapist is telling you.
From the point of view of the psychiatrists I can understand how the brain would try to “forget” a memory if it caused severe traumatic results on the person, but it would have to be very rare. I think a lot of this movement came from the misunderstanding of dreams. For example, that is how Beth’s therapist originally concluded that Beth had repressed memories. From what we learned about dreams in the earlier chapter, the books that the psychiatrist gave Beth most likely made the dreams worse.
However, I do think there is some validity to suppressed memories. It could be similar to multiple personality disorders, where one personality helps the person cope through traumatic experiences. It that sense, recovered memory could be possible.
The question that still remains for me is, why uncover the memories if they are suppressed? If the brain suppressed a traumatic memory, it was to protect the rest of the body. I would think that uncovering the memory would cause more harm than good. I also wonder if there are still therapists who practice the recover memory technique. When the host mentioned that a psychiatrist who had been sued multiple times is still practicing, it is a little depressing. From an ethical standpoint, I would think that the psychiatrist would realize that he or she is hurting more people than she is helping.
Psychological terms: memory, multiple personality, dreaming
This episode was heart-wrenching. I almost started crying while listening to the podcast in the Rialto. The extent to which psychology patients believed their false memories, paired with the impact on the families, was difficult to listen to. Beth, for example, had extremely detailed memories of events that never actually occurred. These memories haunted her, changed her life, and ruined the reputation of her parents. And just as bad, others whole-heartedly believe in these techniques (i.e. guided imagery/meditation, hypnosis, and massage) that brought back inaccurate memories for Beth. Hearing Linda’s side of the story was also quite emotional. Indeed, she was devastated when she realized that the memories that she was drawing out of people with retrieval were likely not true. I love these podcasts, as one tends to feel everything right along with the speakers.
I can see how recovered memory might have some validity (though, like the podcast stated, it occurs rarely), especially when considering the possibility of selection retention, similar to selective attention, coming into play with our long-term memory storage. I can also see, however, how one could generate false memories by taking information from books, stories, and past experiences.
Honestly, I’m horrible at asking questions. However, this topic did get a couple out of me. One, the podcast said that experts are quiet on this topic – why? Of all topics, experts seem to leap at the controversial ones, so why not this one? Also, how could that psychologist-turned-psychotherapist who was sued by so many people for bringing out false memories still be able to afford to be making these diagnoses and using these practices – at some point, the legal fees would outweigh her service fees. Finally, is there any regulation attempting to be implemented? If so, how is that going, and how would it be enforced? Could these sort of practices be classified as harassment?
Meditation, hypnosis, retrieval, recovered memory, selective attention, long-term memory storage, psychologist
Many aspects of memory that were given to me in the book were that it is something that takes time, knowledge, or understanding of a certain topic in order to memorize them. In this case with the episode this guy, Joe, had a car that he loved, but nobody else did. His mother always told him that he would never get a girl due to the car. Joe had very fond memories of this car, wrote a song about it, and will remember it through his entire life. When Joe took his car to the mechanic and they didn’t really want to fix it thinking it was too far gone, it wasn’t really the car that Joe was worried about, it was the memory that was suppressed in the long-term memory. The car can always be replaced in his life, but he will always know the car, feel the car, and relate to this car.
The recovered memory movement is sort of disturbing in one way, but could be helpful in other ways. For example if you were beat as a kid, 3-4 years old, you may not remember a detail or beating that happened back then, but when a therapist brings back up these memories they are presented like they happened yesterday. In this case when Beth has dreams about her dad. She always recalls a good relationship with her dad, but in these dreams her dad is causing harm to her. These are indicative dreams that could have been forgotten. She goes home and thinks about her past, nothing really sticks out to her. In this case she may of forgotten bad memories in order to cope with them. The therapist would then give her books that would recall sexual abuse and other memories, would create flashbacks for Beth that she could then remember stuff that has happened to her when she was young. Things of such when her parents told her to do well in school in order to suppress these thoughts. Repression is key in bringing back memories because they are techniques to bring back memories that were once forgotten. This is harmful to the brain and memory because it causes stories to be made up and involve details that never happened to this woman. Conscious memory also played a role because she was trying to think so hard, she blacked out. This could be the cause of memories that were said by her when she wasn’t fully conscious, but these painful memories that she recalled.
Terms: Conscious memory, repressed, indicative dreams, past, flashbacks
This podcast made me feel an array of emotions. I felt empathetic for the lady that had memories of rape implanted in her by the psychiatrist. That just a horrible situation any way that you look at it. I can’t help but to feel badly for anyone, real or imaginary, that has gone through a rape. I myself don’t know what it’s like; one can only imagine. I also felt mad at the therapist for implanting those false repressed memories into her psyche. There should be some rule put out by the American Psychological Association or the American Psychiatric Association against implanting false memories. It seems to me to be an important issue. I feel as if I am personally in fine mental health. So I obviously have no need to see a therapist at this time, but if the occasion were to arise when I did need to see one. A lot more convincing would have to be done in order to get me into that office after listening to this podcast
I think there is a plethora of evidence in the textbook to support the idea of recovered memories having scientific validity. It makes sense to me that some memories that are not in our working memory, but rather the long term memory have to be searched for in the vast storage of neuronal code in one’s brain. Just because the information isn’t readily available to us right away doesn’t mean that it’s not there. It’s happened to me in class before. The teacher will ask the class if anyone knows anything about a subject that we are about to cover. At the time do not so I don’t raise my hand or speak up. After the material was covered something that was said sparked my recall of information that I did not think previously I knew about. The text calls these implicit memories. I can also see someone unconsciously forgetting painful and or traumatic episodic memories for the sake of sanity. I also think that a lot of times people may not be reconsolidating memories, remembering previously forgotten ones, but just lying. Jimmy Kimmel does a bit where he goes to events and asks strangers about a fake event and what they thought about it. At Coachella he got a ton of music enthusiast to lie about liking bands that don’t even exist.
I would like to know how exactly a trained professional extracts a memory out of someone. Do they dive deep into the unconscious? Are there certain steps and primers that need to be done before the good stuff comes out? It would be fascinating to me to find out. This also makes me think of a truth serum. How awesome would it be for humanity to have something like that at their disposal! The world be such a better place if criminals of the stand were forced to take a swig of that substance or world leaders and politicians while making public addresses or campaigning. I think the scientific world should start some hardcore research on that!
Terms used: repressed memories,American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association,long term memory,working memory, neuronal code, implicit memories, unconscious, episodic memories, reconsolidating memories
After listing to this pod cast from American Life it made me a bit confused. I have always been skeptical of therapist and how credible they are in practice and I understand they help some patients. The fact that got me confused was how they basically fead lies to there patients that they were seeing and how it ruined their family lives and those relationship. I understand that the therapist where taught that repressed memories were very real and were common, and there are some instances like that that do happen but in all actually it is not at all that common. I do believe that recovered memory can be helpful to those who did go thought some traumatic event and they are repressing it. I believe that it could be stored in the patients long term memory and they may have forgotten it. It would be most helpful if they had a trigger that deeply effected their life and it needed to be brought up to stop and calm that trigger.
According to our textbook, research has shown that human memory provides less than accurate portrayals of past events. Distortion occurs in memory in four ways; memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, and suggestibility. The one to most relate to this podcast would be memory bias; the changing of memories over time so that they become consistent with our current beliefs or attitudes. Linda pushed Beth so hard that she made her believe and actually feel memories that really never happened to her. Its crazy how someones suggestions can become reality for another even though they were never real.
To me I do not think there is much validity to the recovery memory process. Those educated it it and who have practiced even admit to it not having much and that it causes people to make up new untrue memories. I know in some cases this process may work but I feel like it wasn't practiced wisely . It shoes in Beth case that it can cause traumatic damage to her home life out of a good intention. Therapist have the intent of healing there client and they should not blow these situations out of proportion and make the whole thing worse.
Repress Memories, Distortion, memory bias, flashbulb memories, misattribution, and suggestibility
While I was listening to this episode, I felt like I could not believe my ears. As they explained more and more the extent to which it effected people, as well as the stories that came from these recovered memory techniques shocked me completely. I knew that therapists could have a strong impact on their patients in a good way, but I never took the time to think about how the words they choose could negatively affect the person they are trying to help. I can realize from reading the chapter on memory in our text book that due to schemas, we can manipulate our memories unknowingly based on events that have happened throughout our lives. This is why it would make sense to someone to believe that it is possible that the reason for our ignorance of why we are sad or depressed might make sense, because it could be possible that we have suppressed our memories to cope with them, yet our lives are still affected by the schemas. Repressed Memory is a concept in the field of psychology that is true, but it is very rare that something like that would occur. When this concept came about, the field of psychology was exploding, and growing very rapidly. It was believed that this concept of repressing horrible memories was a very reasonable and most likely common event. The problem was that soon psychologists began to use this as a way of understanding the patient, which could go very wrong like it did here. Because the patient has no memory whatsoever of this “horrific event” it is very likely that if a professional one might be seeing would greatly pressure or influence the patient into believing in something that actually never happened. I was blown away by the incredible number of people that had believed they had witnessed a murder, or a satanic ritual, or had been through some extremely gruesome forced cannibalism story. It would make sense of how these terrible stories could come about because of the way the therapists were going about extracting these “repressed memories” from people. One of the ways that really stood out was hypnosis. I had learned in a previous chapter in our textbook that hypnosis could be a good way to help people in a therapeutic situation. But it was also mentioned that during the state of hypnosis, we were subject to very impressionable thoughts. In other contexts it makes sense to use this technique to help someone gain self-worth, but in this situation, it only made these patients more susceptible to believing something that was never there in the first place. After the episode I had some questions about how they use this technique now. When exactly would they use this kind of procedure? Obviously a therapist would go about uncovering something a different way, with much less influence, but how would they know if indeed someone did have a repressed memory? How would they go about learning from what a patient has told them to understanding there is something deeply hidden to uncover? These questions still sit in my mind, but I’m sure there is an explanation for all of them. I am understanding Psychology more and more as a science that has a reason for all of the tough personal questions no “regular” person can understand.
Terms: Schema, Hypnosis, Repressed Memory, Recovered Memory
This episode made me really sad and mad at the same time. How one therapy session can ruin a family like that. The fact she was having dreams that turned into memories kind of sets validity for me, sometimes your unconscious mind does things that you don’t understand, but later may make a link and your mind just goes with it, like when Beth heard she may have these dreams because her father molested her, she kept thinking about it, and eventually created false memories. That’s what upsets me. How many times does this happen and people get falsely accused? How many therapists do this on purpose? How many don’t realize they are doing it? We can’t really stop our minds from things like this. No one will know if its falsified because it is in the victims brain that it happened and they now have memories they think are true. People could try to fight it, but it may be a long shot. I didn’t know about false memories until this unit, so I think it should be a widely known thing.
This episode made me feel puzzled to hear about how these psychologists put memories such as sexual abuse into the minds of their patients thinking that they were memories hidden deep within the subconscious of the patient. The psychologist even told the patient that her dreams were just actual things that had happened. The patient learned that the techniques used on her caused fake memories to appear for person. She was horrified about the description she gave of an incident of when her sexual abuse that didn't happen because her therapist kept stressing on repressed memories. The therapist was thought these techniques and she just followed what she was taught faithfully. In my opinion recovered memory would be that it might be true in some very rare cases but these therapists force the patients to see these horrible ordeals. There might be better ways to trigger recovered memory which would not involve pressuring the patient at all. Beth's father lost his job and his family and thought of suicide because of the therapists false memories implanted in his daughter. psychology should not be teaching their students such methods without being sure they work. The therapist caused so much harm in the family and destroyed the lives of so many people.
there are many aspects of recovered memory that haven't been researched to the fullest extent to be used on people.
terms:subconscious, repressed, implanted