Please read chapter 4. After reading the chapter, please respond to the following questions:
What were three (3) things from the chapter that you found interesting? Why were they interesting to you? What one (1) thing did you find the least interesting? Why?
What did you read in the chapter that you think will be most useful to in understanding the history of psychology?
How, in what ways, does this chapter relate (build on) to the previous chapters?
What topic would you like to learn more about? Why ?
What ideas did you have while reading the chapter?
Once you are done with your post make list of the terms and terminology you used in your post.
One thing that I found interesting was about how Wundt’s finally got his laboratory after repeatedly asking for space for a year. I thought that it was interesting that his four hundred square feet became so popular with Europe and America that people, mostly students, would travel to come be a part of his research. Wundt was able to create the first experimental laboratory. What is more fascinating is that this became known as the Psychologisches Institut. With so many students becoming attracted to him it lead to the expansion of his lab. To me that is interesting because Leipzig had to of been upset that he delayed it so long.
The second thing that I found interesting was the part on the first American, James McKeen Cattell, to graduate under Wundt’s supervision at Leipzig. It is also interesting that basically his life story was published, “An Education in Psychology: James McKeen Cattell’s Journal and Letter from Germany and England 1880-1888.” and that it was all accounts from his personal journals that he kept that documented his experiences in school. I also thought it was interesting that in one of his letters home he talked about how Wundt was wrong, but that he himself was able to figure out that there was a tenth of a second delay in the magnet. James seems like a very brilliant young man, but a man with a short fuse to say the least. He seems inpatient.
The third thing that I found interesting was about Wundt’s other student Oswald Kulpe. Oswald and his students were able to look at conditions in an experimental laboratory, and were able to come up with the ideas concerning imageless thought, mental sets, and conscious attitudes. Imageless thought was any thought process that could be further reduced to mental images. Even though Kulpe’s friend Titchener disagreed with imageless sets saying all thoughts included images. Mental sets were defined the effect of giving observers some instructions that predispose them to think in certain ways. Conscious attitudes were defined as the mental processes that cause hesitation and doubt. These occurred during imageless thought.
One thing that I didn’t find interesting was the part on education in Germany. It was the beginning of the chapter and getting through that section was a little difficult. I don’t really care about what their education did and didn’t have compared to other areas of the world. I am more interested in what the people were able to discover in their research.
This chapter builds off the last one by staying in the general time line of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. This chapter is also moving into different countries and there advancements. Chapter 3 focused on the British area of advancement, while now we have moved east to see what Germany’s advancements were.
Reading about all of it will help me understand the history of psychology. It shows the steps that psychologists were making during the beginning of it all. This chapter was a way of showing that interest in psychology was being spread throughout the world. I think that is one of the most important things to take away from this chapter because it was spreading and getting a lot more notice from the public and other students.
I think after reading this chapter I would be interested in some of the labs that were opened in America. I found it interesting that in the conclusion of the chapter it talked about how Americans basically fed off of Germany’s achievements and wanted to start their own in their country. I would like to no more about why they built them in imitation with Wundt’s and who was it that decided to first build one.
When reading about Wundt’s attempt at getting space for his research I found myself thinking about The Shawshank Redemption because Andy repeatedly asked Congress for a library and finally got it after multiple years of sending letters. It just made me think about how being persistent can be worth it in the long run. I also got to thinking about how it would be difficult to go against what your friend believed as true in the case of Wundt, Kulpe, and Titchener they all seemed to counter each other’s beliefs with something else.
Wundt, laboratory, research, experimental laboratory, psychologisches institut, Leipzig, psychology, James McKeen Cattell, An Education in Psychology: James McKeen Cattell’s Journal and Letter from Germany and England 1880-1888, Oswald Kulpe, Titchener, imageless thoughts, mental sets, conscious attitudes
RA Chapter 4
I found the topic on Wilhelm Wundt and his conception of the new psychology interesting. Wundt is generally known as the founder of experimental psychology. He created the first laboratory of experimental psychology and the first journal devoted to describing the results of psychological research. I found this interesting because he has already done so much. His new psychology was called for the scientific examination of the human conscious experience. Basically, Wundt contrasted between immediate and mediate experiences. Looking at a thermometer and it saying 15 degrees F out, you are experiencing the phenomenon of temperature directly, mediate experience. On the other hand if you walk outside without a coat on you have a direct experience of coldness, an immediate conscious experience. This can go back to perception, which is something we have already discussed from previous chapters, just more in depth.
Another topic I found to be interesting was the discussion of Weber’s Law. This was Ernst Weber’s second contribution from his interest in the muscle sense, which is also called kinesthesis. Weber wanted to know how important this sense was for making judgments about different weights of objects in ones hands. What he found was he could judge the weights and tell if one of was “heavier” than the other by just lifting them; he also came up with the “noticeable difference” between the weights. The ability to discriminate between the two weights did not depend on the absolute difference between them in weight, but on a more complicated relationship. This relationship became known as Weber’s law.
Lastly, another topics I found to be interesting while reading chapter 4 was the topic on Psychophysics. I have heard of psychophysics before but never really knew what it was; according to the book it is the study of the relationship between perception of a stimulus event and the physical dimensions of the stimulus being perceived. The previous chapter discussed a lot about perceptions so I think this is something really important to understand because it builds on to what we have already learned. Psychophysics first originated from a sensory research, which is ironic, and by a man named Ernst Weber; the book had also talked about different senses in the previous chapter. Weber first mapped out relative sensitivity on many locations across the skin, with this he demonstrated a mathematical relationship between the psychological and the physical, which was later defined as Weber’s Law. After more reading it was said that Gusatv Fechner elaborated Weber’s research. Fechner is known for developing several important psychophysics methods in use today such as: limits, constant stimuli, and adjustment.
One thing I found to be the least interesting was Oswald Kulpe and the Wurzburg school. I found this to be kind of boring and I didn’t like that he declared higher mental processes off limits for laboratory research because he found them to be too complex. The most useful information in my opinion would be the different experiments scientist conducted and they’re studies (perception, sensory, etc.). These subjects have already been discussed and I think the further chapters will expand that information. Wundt’s idea of new psychology is something I really found to be interesting and would love to learn more about it; the book gave a good basic line and I understand the idea but learning more in depth about it would be very interesting.
Terminology: Oswald Kulpe, Wurzburg school, Wilhelm Wundt, scientific examination, immediate and mediate experiences, perception, Weber’s Law, kinesthesis, Psychophysics, stimulus, Gusatv Fechner, limits, constant stimuli, and adjustment
One thing I found interesting was the development of German Universities. It was basically a competition between ministates to keep people coming into their state. I was even more interested in the fact that some of them were just buildings with only a few classrooms and professors. How could the university possibly make that work? Students were allowed to go from one University to another. I am assuming it made it easier to teach students everything they needed to know, but wouldn't it be easier to have all of the classes in one building?
Wundt is someone from this chapter who interested me as well. He developed experimental psychology. His goal was to develop a new psychology. To do this he was going to use experimental methods contributed from physiology. Under controlled lab conditions he studied immediate conscious experience. He measured the amount of time it took for different mental activities to occur. He was fascinated by how the mind stored and organized information. He termed voluntarism and apperception. Voluntarism reflects the active nature of the mind, the mind actively organizes its experiences through an act of will. Apperception is when something is perceived with full clarity.
Another thing from chapter four that interested me was Ebbinghaus' study on memory. He is famous for the forgetting curve. To observe this he came up with nonsense syllables. He was more interested in the associations that occurred when the syllables were used rather than the meaning of the syllables. The forgetting curve showed that after learning occurred forgetting followed not too long after that. Forgetting would pick up speed then slowly tapper off. He measured what was remembered by the amount of effort saved in relearning.
I found that Ernst Weber's study on psychophysics to be the most boring. I am not really interested in the tactile senses. However, I do understand why they would be important. I think all of these experiments on sensory, perception and memory and contributions each of these men made are important to understanding the history of psychology. This chapter shows how fast the field of psychology spread through out the world.
While reading this chapter I found myself curious as to how many universities were actually developed around 1871. I was also wondering how many of those universities are still functioning today. I am also interested in learning more about Ebbinghaus and his studies on memory.
The ideas I had while reading this chapter was why wouldn't they just combine some of the Universities so they students wouldn't have to go from one school to another? Also, I thought about how interesting it was that all of these people were working on experiments that would be so important today, did they think that they would come to be so important and necessary?
Terms: Experiments, Ebbinghaus, Memory, Psychology, Weber, Tactile Senses, Psychophysics, Sensory, Perception, Forgetting Curve, Nonsense Syllables, Apperception, Voluntarism, Mental Activities, Immediate Conscious Experiences, Physiology, Experimental Psychology, Experimental Methods, Wundt
Chapter 4 had several interesting information about the beginning of New Psychology and its German roots. The first thing that was interesting to me was the term Wissenschaft. Due to the growing popularity of a more scientific approach to psychology along with the growing numbers of Universities in Germany, Wissenschaft was created to give professors freedom to both research and teach what they wanted to without the fear of being fired or given a bad name. In the first three chapters of our textbook, we learned about several influential leaders in psychology being condemned from the church for their research ideas and theories. For the first time, scholars were given freedom to search beyond what society was preaching as reality. Wissenschaft also reminded me of tenure that professors are rewarded today, and it was interesting to see that its roots date back to the nineteenth century.
The next part of Chapter 4 that struck me as particularly interesting was the Two-point threshold research done by Ernst Weber. A two point threshold is described, in our textbook, as “the point where the perception changes from feeling “one” point to feeling “two.” In his research, Weber was interested in tactile sensitivity. It was interesting to me that something seemingly so simple produced such profound results. In areas of high sensitivity rates, the threshold distance is very small and vice versa in areas of low sensitivity. In the section, I wondered if a “three point” would a center point with two equidistant points on either side. Even more interesting to me was the although Weber’s explanation of the sense of touch was too simplistic for reality, much of it holds common grounds with what we learn today as true about the sense of touch.
Chapter 4 devotes a lot of its pages to Wilhelm Wundt. I found Wundt to be very fascinating. Both his basic personality traits and his research/leadership into the world of new psychology struck me as intriguing. On page 107 the book says this about Wundt. “ …founders are promoters; they might not be the first to accomplish something, but they are the first to proclaim loudly that their accomplishment breaks dramatically new ground. They might make some important scientific contribution, but their talent lies in their ability to propagandize. Wundt had that talent.” In previous chapters, we have learned about many contributions from several of individuals. However, these individuals were different from Wundt because at the time of their work, they did not realize its importance like Wundt did. It was moving to learn about someone who believed in themselves and their work to the extent that Wundt did. It was even more so moving to learn about the compelling work that Wundt was able to accomplish over just one life time. Wundt knew that an experimental approach to psychology and its basic questions would be very insightful long before other scholars caught on. However, Wundt believed that laboratory investigation was only plausible when dealing with what he called; “immediate conscious experience” such as perception and that it could not be used to examine high mental processes. This intrigued me – a scholar who was liberal for his time was still not as “liberal” as scholars are today. Our world and the focus of psychology are continually evolving.
Of the many subjects in Chapter 4, Wundt’s work on discrimination time and choice time was, I wouldn’t say least interesting, but the most complicated for me to comprehend which made the text harder to get through. It was hard for me to understand some of the results given in the book without further explanation. However, in the section the textbook explained how, in early experimental psychology, experiments consisted of very few participants who put forth a lot of data and how there was no clear distinction between the subject and the experimenter. I wonder, if some of the research done in Wundt’s days would have similar results to the research done today, giving it validity. Also, I wondered if, under Wissenschaft, researchers had to get permission to carry out their research beforehand. Did ethics matter as much as they do now?
This chapter built on the previous chapters’ idea of “presentism”. By explaining how previous historical accounts of Wundt had been wrong, we learned that in not only Wundt’s case. but in all cases of historical accounts, it is important to examine how you get your information. (Who is telling you it, how long ago did it happen, first or second hand, etc...?) In the case of Wundt, no one purposely gave misinformation about him, it was just different perceptions and it is important to keep this in mind as we go further into the textbook.
Towards the end of the chapter, we learn about Hermann Ebbinghaus and his work with memory. I found interesting that most of his work is material that we still learn to be true today in introductory psychology courses. The forgetting curve is a concept that Ebbinghaus coined, depicting how the longer one goes after originally learning something, the less they remember. I am interested in Alzheimer’s and I would like to learn more about memory and how it relates to the aging human brain.
Terms: Forgetting curve, Ebbinghaus, memory, new psychology, Weber, two point threshold, discrimination time, choice time, Wissenscraft, immediate conscious experience, tactile senses, perception
The first topic I found interesting in chapter four was the section on Fechner and how he used psychophysics to further Weber’s two point threshold. Fechner went through a down period in his life where he had to withdraw from teaching in Leipzig. This was due to his severely damaged eyesight he contracted while conducting research on afterimages. Eventually though, he nursed himself back to his normal state of being, and was able to continue teaching and further his experimentation as well. Fechner soon became interested in more philosophical matters and he wanted to figure out the question of the relationship of mind to body by defeating materialism. This part of the chapter was probably my least favorite to learn about because it was kind of hard to understand and I didn’t really know what this whole concept of fundamental reality/primary dominant features of reality meant, but the next portion of his studies was very intriguing. Fechner, like I stated before, used Weber’s two point stimulus and furthered the calculation of jnd/S=K. This would essentially measure the just noticeable difference, and in the original experiement it was used to figure out at what point people could tell the difference of 30 grams when weight was being added. They came to the conclusion that for 30 grams, 3 grams would have to be added to feel a difference and as the original weight increased so did the amount it took to notice. For instance, 60 grams required a 6gram increase and 90 required 9. Fechner expanded on this calculation turning it into S=k log R, and he gave definitions to the weights, the original: absolute threshold, the weight needed to feel a difference: difference threshold. This whole concept was very interesting to me because I had never heard of such a study done before, I had heard of the skin touch receptors but never Weber’s Law, and the different weight categories. Also, I liked how they used the example of the light slowly turning on to better explain it. One idea I had while reading over this section was with the whole afterimage concept I thought about when I was a kid and I would look at the sun too long how I would see little floating lights, or also if you stared at an image of Jesus for a really long time and then looked at a white wall the image would appear.
The next topic I found interesting was Wundt and his study of higher mental processes. In this section we learned about how Wundt focused a lot of his research on mental processes like learning, thinking, language, and the effects of culture. He did have concerns while studying these and decided in order to get real life accurate data he would have to study these traits in their natural environment through inductive observation techniques, cross-cultural comparisons, historical analysis, and case studies. The main idea of this passage was Wundt and his study on psycholinguistics. The reason I was so interested in this, was because I haven’t heard of any studies done before similar to this one and I really liked its intent: to find out how people interpret what other people are saying, and also how people construct sentences to try and get their point across. It seems like a very logical thing to study, and while reading this I had an idea of a study that could be done in today’s society about how people text and interpret those texts because I know that there are a lot of different ways to say things, and not only verbally but written/typed in a text can make a big difference. Another study Wundt preformed that I found interesting was on sensation and perception. A few techniques he used in this study were distinguishing colors presented to different areas of the retina, and tones presented in various combinations of pitch and loudness. I think that out of all of the topics in this chapter this is what I would like to take a further look into. I want to see what exactly he found out through his experimentation since the book didn’t expand much on the actual end outcome.
One last topic I enjoyed learning about was Oswald Kulpe. I enjoyed learning about this psychologist mainly because I had never heard anything about him before but also because I am always intrigued by people who step out of their shell and try to defy the things that have been presented before them. Kulpe and his students created the Wurzburg school of psychology and in it they went against Wundt and studied higher mental processes directly in the lab. Wundt thought that these were “too complex and heavily influenced by one’s language and culture to be controlled adequately,” but this didn’t stop Kulpe from acting against him. While studying in the lab Kulpe expanded on the concept of introspection and came up with his new concept called systematic experimental introspection. In this Kulpe presented his subjects with even more complicated events and used fractionation to break down the components of the task to avoid memory distortions. At this school several other researchers preformed different studies that would measure different things using this new introspection such as using different methods of addition, subtraction, etc. to measure reaction time. With this experiment scientists drew several conclusions and came up with many new concepts including mental sets, imageless thought, and conscious attitudes.
All in all I think the most important part of this chapter would be the information we learned about Wundt and Weber because they both seem to have set up a foundation with their new ideas and helped to influence other researchers to continue on with their works. I think that there findings have contributed a lot to psychology and I am sure we will be learning more about them again throughout the year. This chapter builds on the previous chapter because again we are seeing comparisons of different psychologists and the work they have contributed to several different things that have already been touched base on including sensation and perception, education in Germany, memory, and higher mental processes. It is fun seeing the progression of how things change and become more and more advanced and correct.
Psychophysics, Fechner, Weber, materialism, Weber’s law, jnd, absolute threshold, difference, two-point threshold, Wundt, psycholinguistics, mental sets, imageless thought, conscious attitude, Kulpe, Wurzburg school of psychology, systematic experimental introspection.
Chapter 4 had a few interesting things to offer to the reader. The first thing that struck me as interesting was Fechner's work and studies as well as the damage the studies caused. Fechner discovered the relationship between brightness of light and strength of the afterimage. Fechner associated the quality of the aftermath resulting from a quick glance at the brightest of all lights - the sun. I never really thought that in this time and history many experimented on themselves adn dealt with the results. In this case, Fechner's studies led him to damage his eyesight. To me, this shows dedication to his work. However, without their discoveries, protective eye wear may not have been discovered.
The second thing I found interesting was Ebbinghaus's involvement in memeory. Ebbinghaus pointed out that little was known about memory, and what was known was known through common sense along side extreme causes. His idea of non meaningful objects had a huge significance later. These objects, or nonsense syllables, helped with his studies. I find his experiments interesting, mostly because he not only came up with the experiment, but performed and participated in the experiment himself. Although this goes against what can make a great experiment, Ebbinghaus did great work towards memory. I have taken a few memory tests, one in particular similar to the test Ebbinghaus performed. For the test, my teacher made two different lists of random words, showing us each list at a different time. Afterwards, we were asked to write down as many words and we can, putting each word into the appropriate list. I was able to list almost every word that was on each list, but I did not do well putting each word in the appropriate list. At the end of the class, the teacher asked us to write down as many words as we could again, this time without looking at the list. Again, I was able to list almost all the words, but struggle to associate a word with the list. From this, a few of us in the class found we had a great ability to recall a set of words, similar to serial learning. Along side of this, I find Ebbinghaus's concern of the rate of forgetting the information interesting. Ebbinghaus's saving method brings attention to measuring memory after a passage of time has passed. From my example, there were a few of us in my class that had a greater saving method than others in our class.
The third thing I found interesting how much work may have been lost due to lack of translation. In this chapter, is mentioned a few times about works being translated by multiple people. It makes me wonder how many things were possibly mistranslated or were not translated at all and lost due to the lack of translation.
One thing I did not find interesting was Weber's ideas of a two-point threshold. I found this section to be related to a few things I had learned in biopsychology, a class I hated. I don't know if comparing that to what I learned in biopsych caused me to not like it, or if was the fact that this section seemed to drag on and keep on repeating itself. Weber's mention of jnd's was the most uninteresting part of this section. I struggled to finish reading it because it seems so unimportant and obvious to me.
I feel that this chapter is important because it focuses a lot on memory, an important aspect in psychology. In order to understand concepts within psychology, like Alzheimer's or Dementia, one must understand memory. It is also important to understand where the studying of memory began, for then we can understand the changes, or lack of changes, that may be occurring in memory.
In one section of this chapter, it builds on "materialism". Fechner added to this idea with ideas of the mind and body, and focusing on the idea of defeating materialism. He referred to "materialism" as "Night View" and "Day View". Fechner built on this idea, concluding that the mind and body could be harmonious.
One thing I would like to learn more about what Ebbinghaus's idea of nonsense syllables and serial learning. These were both very interesting to me and would like to find out more about his work on these topics.
Like I stated before, I found myself wondering what tranlational errors could have occurred while translating experiments and articles. I also wonder if there are any works that have been lost due to translation or lack of adequate storage.
Terms Used: Fechner, Ebbinghaus, nonsense syllables, serial learning, saving method, Weber, two-point threshold, jnd, materialism
After reading chapter four there were a few things that I found interesting. The first was the whole idea of Wissenschaft. This was the beginning of a great thing for psychologists because it let them express and explore their area of study without having to worry about "getting in trouble" by administration or the political heads. By developing this idea or procedure for lack of better word, it opened up a whole new area for psychology, it started the scientific research for psych. It was really a great thing and thats why I found it so interesting, it got psych moving in a progressive direction. The second thing that I found interesting was the idea of Weber's Law. Weber's Law demonstrated the math relationship between psychological and physical things. I found this interesting because he made a great discovery that would allow him and others to research a variety of things now. Especially things dealing with weights and distinction of weight between different objects, etc. The third thing that I found interesting was Wilhelm Wundt and his contribution to psychology. I found him interesting because he was the first person to lable psychology as a science seperated from biology and philosophy. He was also the first person to label himself a "psychologist" I thought that was pretty neat. Without him declaring psychology as an independent study, we wouldn't even be having this class. It was a major milestone in the history of psychology, and he was a very notable figure. There wasn't really anything in the chapter that I found uninteresting, it was all very interesting and focused mainly on the three things I previously noted.
After reading this chapter I think the most useful idea and/or person would have to be Wilhelm Wundt. He contributed alot to the area of psychology, and he pretty much started the whole idea of psychology by declaring it an independent subject, and by labeling himself the first psychologist. I believe that this chapter builds on other chapters because it goes more indepth about how psychology was created and who was involved in it as well. I would like to learn more about mental states and mental processes, because I think they're very interesting. I also think its interesting and fascinating how people think and why they do what they do.
Terms: Wilhelm Wundt, Weber's Law, Wissenschaft, Psychology, Psychologist, Science
In this chapter I found Ernst Weber’s two-point threshold interesting. I thought it was interesting because I touch things everyday but I’ve never thought about how my body perceives what I touch. I found internal perception interesting. I liked this because in my social work practice II class we practice interviewing. We always say that you have to assume that you don’t know anything about your client until they tell you and their perception of their world if what you have to go on. Everyone’s perception is different because you perceive things with past experiences in mind. Also I found apperception interesting. I was intrigued by this because I am interested in ADHD. Kids with ADHD pay attention to everything and that is why they can’t focus on one thing because they are taking too much in at once. They don’t have many things that are apprehended. I am interested in memory but Hermann Ebbinghaus’s study on memory was kind of boring to me. I like to learn about what type of memory we have and what information we store not how to memorize it.
I think the most useful thing in this chapter was the apperception. Everyone perceives and notices different things. I think it is important in studies and research to factor in what the people in the studies perceive. Last chapter we focused on the brain and the nervous system and now were working to the body; so we started internal and where working out way out. I would like to learn more about apperception and how it affects ADHD children. So many kids are diagnosed with ADHD I want to learn more about it because I want to work with kids someday. While reading this chapter I was thinking about how many studies psychologist have done to discover the knowledge we know now. Some of the studies weren’t even done by psychologists. There had to be so many studies. Then I thought they are going to be never ending. There will always be a study going on in the field of psychology.
Terms: two-point threshold interesting, internal perception, apperception, ADHD (attention deficient hyperactive disorder)
I really thought the section on Fechner's Elements of psychophysics to be very interesting. Perception has always been an area of interest for me. It is interesting to figure out how the brain perceives things differently then they actually are. One area this happens is thresholds. Absolute and difference thresholds explain how we perceive different things such as sound and light. There is a point where we cannot consciously hear something but our brain is still processing it. This is somewhat scary because some stores have gotten in some trouble for having sounds underneath the human threshold that say such things as "buy" to get you to buy more. It is important to be aware of these things so that we can be more ethical.
The next thing I found really interesting was Wundt's curiosity involving studying higher mental processes. He was interested in learning more about the cognitive processes such as learning, language, and thinking. He was smart enough to know that these things are so involved with environment that it would be hard to get exact results in the lab. Instead, he chose to study them and simply try to learn more about these processes. He was smart enough to also think about cultural differences, which can make a huge difference in behavior and how we interpret it. His work lead to an up rise in cognitive psychology decades later. Once again, this is an example of a man who's curiosity lead to different fields of psychology.
The section on mental sets and imageless thoughts was very informing. Giving instructions to people is a good way of priming their brain for what is about to happen. The section explains that when the brain is primed, reaction time is shorter. This is referred to as the mental set. Knowledge of this can help us when studying and help teachers aim to prime our mind in the right way before a test, etc. The section also talks about imageless thought. This the idea that each thought in our head en companies an image. This is still in debate. Some things are done without hesitation and without thought. Other things require thought and visualization. It would be cool to find out what things require what and if you can be conditioned to not think about the behavior. This is an idea that can be further investigated.
I really thought this chapter jumped around a lot to different ideas and different people. It was hard to get a good grip on everything while we were being introduced to so much new information. Certain sections were a little wordy and went into a lot of detail. I'm not sure if it was all necessary for us to get a good understanding of what the author was trying to convey.
This chapter, like others, shows us the birthplace of the thoughts for many different schools of psychology. We get to see what inspired these thoughts for these men and what motivated them to learn more. It shows us that everything starts with little knowledge but experiments can sometimes give us immediate insight. I would really like to learn more on psychophysics and other experiments that have been conducted in this field. It deals a lot with the brain and conscious and unconscious thought. These areas really intrigue me. I had a lot of ideas on how authority could use these tactics to control us. I think it is important to be aware of these thresholds and make sure that they are used ethically.
terms: psychophysics, experiments, Wundt, absolute thresholds, difference thresholds, perceptions, imageless thought, cultural differences, mental set
One topic that I found interesting was that of Wilhelm Wundt. Known for his views on new psychology and as the founder of experimental psychology. After receiving his M.D. from the University of Heidelberg and brief practice of medicine, than a semester under the great Muller in Berlin, he finally returned to Heidelberg as a professor. As a professor I found it interesting how he was inspired by Bunsen’s techniques of visual displays and Weber’s two-point threshold technique enough to use them in his projects and dissertation. While there he was offered a position of Privatdozent, the offering of courses to students, but due to a sickness and lack of student enrollment he had to withdrawal for some time. Between 1858-1864 he published at an astounding rate that produced him two books that marked the emerging of experimental psychology; Contributions to a Theory of Sensory Perception and Lectures on Human and Animal Psychology. Later in 1871 he set up his first laboratory where he was rewarded the rank of Extraordinary Professor by the university. After only a year he was offered a position at the University of Leipzig, Germany. Once there, it took a year of repeatedly asking for space for a laboratory big enough to hold his equipment. I thought that it was interesting that he left his already established lab for a four hundred square foot lab, one that was promised but that took so long to get at a prestigious school. Also how his lab became so popular with Europe and America that students, that they would travel to come be a part of his research. Wundt was able to create this first experimental laboratory that later became known as the Psychologisches Institut.
The second thing I found interesting was Ernst Weber on his two-point threshold. The approach of touching the skin with a two-pointed drawing compass, shows his out of the box thinking. All to measure if an individual could feel whether one or two points where being felt, with varying distances. He came to notice the further up the arm one went the less sensitive, further distances apart, perceiving two separate points. This lead him to come to the conclusion that the difference in threshold is due to different sizes of what he called sensory circles. These circles encompassed areas of the skin and areas with smaller circles were more sensitive than those with bigger circles. Only with the compass points touched two different sensory circles did you get the sense of two points. What he is most known for is what we now call Weber’s Law. This law along with his other works made psychophysics an essential element to science, showing that mental and physical events could be related mathematically.
The final topic I found to be intriguing was that of Oswald Kulpe. Earning his doctorate under Wundt ,also his mentor, he created his own laboratory in Wurzburg. A lab that produced experimental psychology that competed against both his mentor and close friend Titchener. Although Kulpe did little research in his own name he challenges Wundt procedures. His first was what he liked to call systematic experimental introspection, the observation of more complex events, followed by a full description the mental process involved. This created potential memory problems with time and accuracy. So to fix this and prove he was right Kulpe and his students developed fractionation, a way to break down complicated events into sections for further separating. In Kulpe’s attempt to improving introspective procedure and proving his mentor wrong, he was rejected by Wundt. Having thrown out the technique himself years earlier.
The thing I didn’t find interesting was the education in Germany. Not being one for history, I didn’t really care for how education came to be in Germany. But more so I found the reading to be dry and boring, and all together hard to get through. Geography isn’t really my strong suit when it came to pointing out the different universities in Germany. I find it more interesting to know what and how the individuals came about their theories and methods. The one thing I noticed when it came to the overlapping or building on from the last chapter was how Wundt, Weber, Fechner, and the rest built their experiments/studies off of those before then during that same time. From Descartes theory on animal spirits to for reflex to a new approach that became known as reaction time, taking that presentisum point of view on how they came to their conclusions. I didn’t have to many thoughts or ideas cross my mind while I read but the few that I did were mostly on the material itself. Chapter 2 started off pretty good full of juicy details on people and their experiments, but as I read chapter 4….most of the material to me seemed dry and a little boring. There was no detail into any of their experiments aside from saying they just performed them.
Terms: Wilhelm Wundt, Heidelberg, Muller, Bunsen’s techniques, two-point threshold, Contributions to a Theory of Sensory Perception and Lectures on Human and Animal Psychology, Privatdozent, Extraordinary Professor, Leipzig, experimental psychology, Psychologisches Institut, Ernst Weber, sensory circles, Weber’s Law, Titchener, Oswald Kulpe, fractionation, systematic experimental introspection
I find Weber's research on thresholds to be extremely fascinating, because he discovered that there is a complex relationship between weight and just noticeable difference.
I also like the fact that Fechner kept researching these thresholds and revised Weber's law, because that's what drives psychology: we pick up where others left off, and never leave well enough alone.
I find it interesting that Wundt worked with Bunsen. It really illustrates the point that researchers don't operate in a vacuum; the greatest minds of any age, which are the most likely to be remembered, are also the most likely to collaborate academically and in research.
The main reasons why Wundt is known as the father of experimental psychology are because he started the first psychological research lab and because he was the first person to consider himself a psychologist instead of a biologist or philosopher.
I think that this chapter relates to the previous chapters because it builds on the philosophical background to finally show a new study emerging.
Although I am interested in memory, I am not very fond of Ebbinghaus' research, because memory is so complex that it is hard to grasp. However, I am going to challenge myself and say that I would like to learn more about Ebbinghaus' memory research.
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Webster, Threshold, Just Noticeable Difference, Fechner, Webster's Law, Wundt, Bunsen, Vacuum, Collaborate, Experimental Psychology, Psychologist, Memory, Ebbinghaus.
While reading chapter 4 there was somethings I did not like and some things that I found interesting. I liked the section of the chapter that discussed Ernst Weber and his two-point threshold theory. I remembered doing an experiment in science class so time ago, and it was fun to learn the history on it. Second, I liked the jnd that Weber discovered using the weight experiment. Third, I liked the creative synthesis section of the chapter. The difference between appreception and apperceived was something I found interesting. One thing that I did not like about the chapter was, well, pretty much the rest of it. I could not get myself to stay interested in the rest as much. Maybe because most of the chapter was about Weber.
Like I said earlier I had done the two-point threshold experiment before, but never knew the history. It was interesting to learn about the man that discovered the experiment and what he was like. In the science class that I did the experiment I learned that there were different sensory nerves and some parts of the body had more than others. I never knew that Weber had discovered these sensory circles in the body. The sensory circles are basically these circles that have a certain amount of sensory nerves and pertain to certain sections of the body. Once you cross into another circle you have two different sensations. While doing this experiment in 9th grade science class I am sure I had no clue what I was doing, but know its good to know the history of the experiment and the contribution it had to science and psychology, and then further experiments that Weber conducted.
The second thing that I found interesting in the chapter was just noticeable difference section. This was interesting to me because while I learned about the experiment in intro to psychology I never quite understood the concept all to well. Under Weber's law there is this 'jnd' that he talks about when looking at muscle sense (kinesthesis). Weber says that there is no noticeable difference between 30 grams and 31 grams. Also, there is no difference between 30 and 32 grams. The first sign that someone can detect a difference between the weights in their hands is between 30 to 33 grams (3 grams). Thus, the jnd is applied. Weber came up with a equation that states jnd/S=k. I do not really understand this, but this is what justifies his jnd phenomenon. What I found interesting was that this experiment showed that mental and physical events could be related mathematically.
The third thing that I enjoyed about the chapter was The creative synthesis that Wundt talked about when looking at voluntarism. Voluntarism is to reflect the active nature of the mind. The main concept of voluntarism is apperception. Apperception is the ability to perceive something with full clarity and understand it with your full attention. No outside stimuli can distract you from the full concentration of the task. A good example that the book used was when reading a sentence. In order to appercieve something then you need to be reading the sentence with no distractions from an outside stimuli such as the TV. Apperception is also the process that we perceive things in wholes. A great example that helped me understand this concept was one that the book used. When we read the word dog we do not see a bunch of letters scrabbled onto the page. We see the word dog and the meaning behind the word dog. Our visual sense may be processing the words and symbols, but our mind is forming the letters while at the same time forming the meaning of the words.
The thing I did not like about the chapter was pretty much the rest of the chapter. I do not know if it was because I was so intrigued with Weber's experiments that I found the rest boring or what. The study of memory that Hermann Ebbinghaus conducted was not that interesting to read for me. The saving method was somewhat interesting to learn about because it talked about how our brain saves information that we get, and how it stores it. Also, that our brain uses remote associations. This is the time between which we learn something and the time between in which we relearn the material. I can use some of this information to help me better study for my next exam. Like I said before I just did not find the information all to exciting to learn about, but really enjoyed the information on Weber earlier in the chapter.
I think that this is important to the history of psychology because Weber's experiment lead to more experiments that he conducted. All the experiments that he did created this sort of new science. The idea that you could mathematically calculate someone feeling and cognitions was a huge step forward in both the science and psychology fields. Weber is considered the pioneer of this field and I think that this is very important in the expansion of the psychology world.
I think that this builds on to the earlier chapters just in the timeline span of things. I am slowly starting to see that this book started at the beginning and is slowly working its way forward. From the last couple chapters it started with the earlier minds of the field and their breakthroughs in psychology. Sense they were the pioneers and had no real backing or history to build off they could not advance. The people that I read about in this chapter are taking the ideas from the people in the earlier chapter and using them to create their own experiments. They are building off the people before them to continue to learn and discover the field of psychology and I think that is awesome.
The topic that I would like to learn more about would probably be the creative synthesis section of the chapter. I find it interesting to read about because it was just a theory that he thought of and never really was accepted, but I think that it was cool. I understand where he was coming from when discussing that apperception idea, but like the animal spirit idea in the last chapter it was not quite perfected. I would like to know more about this topic and see if it actually came to light in the psychology field or if it busted.
Thoughts that I had while reading were mainly about the two-point threshold experiment. I was wondering who comes up with these experiments on the top of their head? I find it fasinating that someone would think to use a compass to poke certain parts of the body to see how humans perceive a stimuli. Then to go on and see that we have certain sensory areas on the skin that pertain to sensory nerves. This lead me to think about how cool it would have been to grow up in this time period of discovery. I just think that it would be cool to be the first to discover anything, let alone where the sensory nerves are in the body. I hope that the discoveries in the rest of the book are more fasinating to read about.
Terms: Weber, two-point threshold, Weber's law, just noticeable difference, Wundt, new psychology, apperception, voluntarism, saving methods, remote associations, Hermann Ebbinghaus
The first topic that was interesting in chapter 4 was Ernst Weber. It was interesting how he combined the physical and psychological world which is now known as Weber’s Law. Weber was able to observe skin sensitivity by using a double pointed device. This method of skin testing led Weber to discover the two-point-threshold, where he found the sense of feelings change on different parts of the body. Some areas are more sensitive than others. It was also interesting in how Weber came up with what he called sensory circles, that our skin has circles with fibers that are branching off of our sensory nerves. He found that the area of sensitive skin had smaller circlers. Weber’s interest with the mind and muscle sense led him in using measurements and mathematical formulas. As it states in our text book, “Weber’s Law showed that mental and physical events could be related mathematically.”
The second topic that was interesting was about Wilhelm Wundt. I found it interesting that the first psychology laboratory was founded in Germany by Wundt, and by many he was known as “the father of psychology”. Through introspection Wundt observed people’s behavior by watching their response towards physical change. However, Wundt felt that self-observation was nothing more than speculation. Using internal perception, Wundt and his students were able to observe without bias. Wundt wanted to do laboratory research on the mental process of thinking, learning, and language. He also wrote the first journal explaining experimental research and studies. Wundt and Helmholtz became interested in mental chronometry and began to measure the minds mental speed and reaction time. He was also interested in how the mind organizes information and how we perceive it. Overall Wundt was a huge influence in American psychology.
The third interesting topic was about Hermann Ebbinghaus, who studied memory. It is interesting how he was able to create over 2300 nonsense syllables using only three letters to make it harder for people to relate a meaning to the words. Ebbinghaus also came up with the term savings method which allowed him to measure memory over time. He discovered there is a direct relationship between relearning and remote association of recalling certain information. Ebbinghaus was also an advocate for mental testing, by inventing a sentence completion test. Ebbinghaus would later quote in one of his intro to psychology tests, “psychology has a long past, yet its real history is short.”
I think Wundt has been the most useful in understanding psychology; he pioneered research through experimentation and observations. This chapter relates to others by showing how different aspects of psychology have grown and spread to other parts of the world, especially influencing American psychology. It would be interesting to learn more about ecological memory, it is always interesting to see how the mind works, not to mention how we are able to obtain certain information, but not recall others.
Terms: Weber’s Law, two-point-threshold, nonsense syllable, introspection, mental chronometry
The first thing that I found interesting while reading chapter four was Weber's idea of the Two-Point Threshold. I think the thought of our sensory circles being sensed by branching fibers of a single sensory nerve really was interesting and planted an cool picture in my head. The book was very good about going into an interesting and picturesque amount of detail that allowed me to think about the concept very clearly. Also the idea that there are different sizes of sensory circles was something that I found interesting simply because I have to wonder if there is a reason behind if the circle sizes were of specific size in specific areas for a reason.
Something else that i found interesting was Wilhelm Wundt's idea of the immediate experience and the mediate experience. Reading that he was the father of experimental psychology, I had some high hopes in reading about his accomplishments. This is the one that I found the most interesting. His plans for the conscious I found interesting from the start of the section but as it continued I took the biggest liking in the theory that and example of "new psychology" more specifically the distinctions of immediate and mediate consciousness. I really never had heard of or thought of there being more than one level of consciousness besides Sigmund Freud's idea of the Id, Ego, and Superego. Even those ideas don't compare or seem nearly as believable as Wundt's ideas of the categories of consciousness.
A third thing that I liked about this chapter was the idea of an imageless thought. The immediate thought of the word sounded like something that was either impossible or something that a philosopher intended to create an idea of. However, after reading further into the section I realized that this was something that was even empirical. The weight lifting experiment was something I had never heard of before and really enjoyed reading about. The idea that a person could display judgements without conveying an image was something I was unaware of and rather blown back by how they demonstrated the experiment.
A section that I really disliked reading through was basically the entire section about Fechner and his elements of psychophysics. I've never liked reading about physics and really the paragraph was boring. It was uninteresting and the words were dry. I believe that I understand the meaning behind the experiments and vocabulary used in the paragraph, I just think that the subject is dry and uninteresting. However, one reason why I could possibly find this section boring is the fact that I haven't read over anything like this information since high school and I find it mildly irrelevant to anything in my studies outside of this class or life at this point in time.
I believe the ideas and contributions of Wilhelm Wundt will be some of the most important information to take away from this chapter. Although not all of his contributions to psychology are equally exciting, he was notably the founding father of experimental psychology. Also, besides the hypothesis and deliverance of his own psychological terms and experiments, he was also a teacher to many other important names in the field of Psychology and should be credited with giving some of these psychologists the tools they needed to create and implement their experiments.
I really think this chapter builds on chapter three due to it's emphasis. In chapter three we read a lot about advances of scientific discoveries that would eventually lead into the beginning of psychological advances, which is the topic of discussion in chapter four.
I would really like to learn more about Wundt's ideas on consciousness. His categories of the immediate and mediate experiences were noted in the chapter, but I would really like to opportunity to more fully understand how Wundt came up with the hypotheses and how we can more fully develop his ideas of consciousness.
While reading this chapter I had a lot to consider. My biggest thought was about the contributions of a lone psychologist and how his hypotheses and experiments influenced so many ideas and even so many other people. I also thought a lot about experiments and how psychologists are able to come up with such complex experiments. They not only had to come up with them but they had to prove they were valid. Their validity could have been the downfall of the entire hypothesis.
Terms: Weber, two-point threshold, sensory circles, branching fibers, single sensory nerves, Wundt, immediate experience, mediate experience, experimental psychology, conscious, New Psychology, Sigmund Freud, Id, Ego, Superego, imageless thought, empirical, Fechner, Psychophysics, validity,
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An interesting topic in this chapter in my opinion was the close-up section about James McKeen Cattell. I thought this guy was pretty cool for being the first American to earn a Leipzig Ph.D. in experimental pscyhology. I also thought his letters to his parents were interesting about the work he was doing and how he thought he had to prove to them that his work was worth something. I liked how he expressed how Wundt’s idea or calculations were wrong, but he was able to figure it out. I thought it was bold for Cattell to bad talk Wundt in his last letter to his parents. He stated pretty much how Wundt’s lab was just a minor stepping stone for him to become something bigger and how their reputation was amateurish because his ideas were better than Wundt’s.
The last topic I found interesting was the section about G.E. Müller. I found him to be interesting because he had great contributions to psychology but wasn’t really cared about or recognized for them because he was just furthering other pscyhologists’ research (Ebbinghaus, Fechner, and Hering). He extended Ebbinghaus’s research with a student of his (Jost) to come up with Jost’s law. They discovered that if two associations have equal strength, further practice will strengthen the older one more than the newer one. He also invented the memory drum which automated the presentation of stimulus materials and was used in labs until 1990 then computer stimulation became more efficient. If he couldn’t be any cooler he also allowed for women psychologist to be in his lab. This was a big deal back then because women encountered many obstacles when they tried to get graduate-level training. This was pretty unique that Müller allowed for woment to be in his lab.
I wasn’t very interested in some aspects of Wundt’s research. I feel like it just kind of got boring for me and when that happens it’s hard for me to follow along. I think he did some really good research and experimented/ discovered some really important things but I would’ve rather read about someone a little bit more interesting.
When reading this chapter what was helpful for the history of pscyhology aspect was how each pscyhologists brought something different to the field but weren’t all recognized in the same way. I also learned that some of the psychologists research could be taken further or needed extra looking over because some of their information wasn’t all correct.
I would like to learn more about Ebbinghaus or Müller and memory and their contributions. I would also be interested in learning or reading about some of their labs or experiments more in-depth as well as how it came about that America wanted to start their own and who was the first successor in doing so.
Some ideas I had while reading this chapter were how Müller’s discoveries kind of went unnoticed because they weren’t ground breaking. I thought that was pretty lame because he still made significant contributions to the fields and his research was of value but he was never really recognized for it. I also thought how it was cool that he allowed for women to be in his lab and study when it was looked down upon and hard for women to get degrees in the U.S. & Europe.
Wundt, Müller, memory drum, Jost’s law, Cattell, Ebbinghaus, Fechner, Hering, memory, psychology, Leipzig
The thing that interested me most about this chapter was the discussion of Ernst Weber. This idea of the two-point threshold is a fascinating theory about how sensation and perception can sometimes be at odds with reality. His idea for "sensory circles" was quite perceptive.
I am even more fascinated by Weber's Law. In creating his theory of the Just Noticable Difference (JNR), he noticed that in weight lifting, it's not an absolute weight difference between two masses that is detectable, but is proportional to the the smaller weight in question. The formula for Weber's law is jnd/S = k. This is interesting to me for two reasons. Firstly, the fact that Weber was able to come up with a mathematical formula detecting the jnr is impressive. A lot of psychology is dependent on individual differences, but it seems that Weber has this formula down to a science (literally- and this is of course not to discount less quantifiable measures in psychology. They are equally sound). Another reason it appeals to me is because of the importance of perception in his theory. The fact that there is not an absolute weight difference that people are able to detect, but that it is relative to the actual weight says something about human perception and our ability to adapt to new circumstances. Our sensitivity to a stimulus depends on our level of exposure to that stimulus.
The last thing I found particularly interesting about this chapter was the discussion of Wundt's "new psychology". While Wundt's "introspection" is a common topic in an Intro to Psych course, I had never heard of internal perception. Even though we have found many flaws with introspection as a method of studying, his way for solving this problem by introducing "internal perception" is a remarkable way of solving for this problem. Like other chapters, I am able to incorporate the methods of understanding psychology that we learned in the first chapter into this chapter. In this case, it's easy to see a presentist might dismiss Wundt's methods, but a historicist might see the scientific improvement between introspection and internal perception, particularly in the sense that internal perception controls better for bias and time.
The least interesting thing for me was trying to interpret the data charts, like those of Wundt's Complication Experiment and Ebbinghaus' Forgetting Curve. Although the experiments and the respective data are interesting to me, trying to decipher the math behind it was not as fun.
I would like to learn more about Ebbinghaus and his learning curve, particularly because I think I have a really awful memory, especially when it comes to retaining factual information. Perhaps more research in this area will help me better understand my memory and its capacity so I can improve in the future.
Throughout this chapter, I found myself thinking about how crazy the general public must have thought these psychologists were. In a time where psychology was an especially new field with findings that perhaps weren't as fruitful as those of other sciences, I wonder what motivated these scientists to delve into the human mind. On the other hand, I completely understand their longing to understand the human mind, as that is what I'm dedicating my career to. Moreover, I think this is support for the general idea that it is more rewarding to study things that are somewhat of a mystery.
Terms; Ernst Wundt, Two-point threshold, sensory circles, Weber's Law, Just Noticeable Difference, new psychology, introspection, internal perception, complication experiment, Ebbinghaus, Forgetting Curve
After reading chapter four the first thing that I found interesting was the two-point threshold to study tactile sensitivity that was developed by Ernst Weber. The two-point study was a simple experiment where he took a two-point compass and varied the distances poked on a blindfolded observer’s hand. This experiments purpose was to see where skin sensitivity varied in different points on a person’s body. Weber found that some parts such as the thumb had a smaller threshold than the forearm when being able to feel two points easier. Weber believed that the two different points were different thresholds due to the sizes of sensory circles on the skin. This was interesting because it’s cool to see how Weber found out that different parts of the body feel pressures differently than other parts of the body.
The second thing that I found interesting from this chapter was Fechner’s elements of psychophysics. This was a measurement of stimuli as compared by a subject. An example of this would be if you gave the subject two weights which varied slightly (i.e. 30 and 33; 60 and 66), the subject would see the weight difference as the same even though there was more of a difference with the 60 and 66 weights than the 30 and 33 weights. This subjective equality was interesting to me because it reminded me of how people see a scale. If you tell people to rate something on a 1-10 scale and they do, there is much more of a difference between say 8 and 9 then there is between 5,6, and 7. I found this just interesting and creative on Fechner’s part.
The final thing that I found interesting in this chapter would have to have been Hermann Ebbinghaus’ work on memory recognition. This was the study of how people could memorize some things off of the association of syllables. This was interesting because it’s weird to think about how people can memorize things better off of simple things such as syllables and patterns that you probably would never think about.
The thing that I didn’t really like about this chapter was the history of Wilhelm Wundt. I guess I could see the point of needing to run through Wundt’s history to further understand his logic and thought process, but I just kind of got tired of it after a few pages.
This chapter builds onto the chapters before it by taking the real quick mentioning about sensation and perception that were mentioned beforehand and kind of broadens that view into a whole chapter. This is nice because it seemed interesting before but they never really got around to going into much depth before.
The topic that I would like to learn more about after reading this chapter would have to be reaction time testing that was done in Wundt’s laboratory. This was interesting to me because it’s cool to see how we react to certain stimuli and it would be interesting to look into more depth about how these experiments are carried out.
An idea that I had while reading this chapter was kind of wondering how far ahead Germany is than we are. When you read the chapter you think that Germany is this powerhouse for psychology and kind of always has been. It made me wonder what they do over there with experiments and teaching in psychology that we don’t do here.
Terms: two-point threshold, Ernst Weber, tactile sensitivity, observer, sensitivity, Fechner, psychophysics, stimuli, Herrmann Ebbinghaus, memory recognition, Wilhelm Wundt, sensation and perception, reaction time, experiment, psychology.
Chapter four was the first chapter the conveyed much detail about particular people and discoveries. The chapters before were more of a summary and brief development of each idea. Chapter four helped me understand the whole idea of its objectives. Many things throughout this chapter sparked my interest.
The first area of the chapter that gave reasoning for why Germany was the center area of psychology was of interest to me. In prior chapters they talk about Europe and its functioning with psychology but never really gave meaning. I have been to Germany twice for longer periods, so perhaps that is why it is of interest to me. I also am interested in when it made the switch to America being the center of psychology. When Americans wanted degrees they had to go to the mini-states of Germany. Their focus being research combined with teaching and academic freedom brought students in. I find it interesting that students were so free to get degrees from each mini-state and multiple Universities. I wondered the criteria to get into these schools and the cost of them? Maybe that is why only three dozen Americans got their degree there. At some point in history America adapted to the academic freedom and became the center of psychological studies. When did this happen and why, was my questioning and something I would like to learn more about. I also want to learn more before my next trip to Europe this May to possibly visit some historical sights.
The next two areas that was of interest to me was Fechner and, Wundt and his new psychology. The book put it very bluntly that he got the credit of the first experimental psychologists and this might not be technically correct. It seems to be a reoccurring issue in the past of the correct person not getting total accreditation for their discoveries. However, Wundt and Fechner both had great contributions. Fechners discovery of psychophysics opened my eyes to the use of math in psychology. It is becoming more and more clear to me that math is relevant in psychology. Without the study of relationship where would we be! Wundt started his studies at age nineteen and grew more curious. I find the majority of his studies to be very interesting and creative. His first independent research project regarding his own urine and salt content immediately got me questioning this guy. His assistant position with Helmholtz seemed to be where he got inspired. He might not have been the first psychological researcher technically, but he was the first to connect science in psychology and continue to use it to create publishing documents. His two major areas of development include; immediate conscious experience and the higher mental processes. Analyzing personal experiences had its challenges but through introspection, Wundt discovered a way to study it. He also used Internal perception, self-observation, for his research design. I am learning more about studies in research method and I am curious of how they treated research to get it empirically proven. This is something I would like to learn more about. Did they use self-report? Is it similar to these terms above? And how did they deal with bias. To say the least it seems Wundt had the most developed research at this time. His contributions for experimental study does allow him some credit in my eyes! He at least had they first American study under his supervision.
The least interesting aspect of the chapter was hard for me to pinpoint. This chapter ran together nicely and relayed information on experimental research all through the chapter and most concepts connected ideas. If I had to choose a least favorite topic it would be the areas where they tried to describe the math in the text. Yes, I understand the overall idea but the book tried to break down formulas for the reader to comprehend and it was somewhat a waste of time. I did not understand it and it could have easily been taken out and the reader could have still grasped the objectives.
The most valuable would be just the understanding of the development of experimental research. This idea will be a reoccurring topic in my career and I found it very interesting to learn about. Knowing how it developed and where it came from helps me to connect the ideas I am covering in my other classes. I liked being knowledgeable on the overall details of experimental research.
Key Terms: Wundt, Fechner, experimental psychologists, psychophysics, Helmholtz, introspection, internal perception,
Chapter four had a lot of interesting information about Psychology's roots in Germany. One of the main things that stood out in this chapter to me was the amount of space dedicated to Wilhelm Wundt. It is quite easy to notice that he played a huge role in the German roots of psychology just by looking at all of the pages that are built around his works. One of the sections that really interested me about Wilhelm Wundt was the section about Mental Chronometry. This section was interesting because it talked about Wundt's research on reaction times. He set up a personal equation in which the faster reaction time would be B and the slower would be A. The time given in the equation would be the difference between A and B. I thought this was interesting because it is a type of equation used in math classes to determine differences in speeds and travel times.
The next section I found interesting was also about Wilhelm Wundt; It was about the important things Wundt was famous for as of 30 years ago. He founded the first school of psychology, which is clearly an important step in the development of psychology as a field. The schooling system was known as structuralism because his goal was to have basic structural components or elements. One of the things listed in this section was about how the ten-volume Volkerpsychologie was just a secondary hobby. It is funny to think that such a huge compilation of writings can be a mere hobby. I would never be able to spend so much effort on something that was not my main focus/desire.
The third thing I found interesting in this chapter was about the experimental study of memory. Ebbinghaus had the idea to create nonsense syllables or CVCs, which are three-letter units with two consonants and a vowel in the middle. He created about 2,300 of them in order to have a large sample. It was interesting that the task he gave to his study was serial learning, in which he would analyze the buildup of associations between elements of a fixed sequence. This is interesting because I have never really learned much about the process of how memory works. The only thing I can remember learning previously is about the number seven plus or minus two. While reading this section I gathered how that number came to be. The savings method was also discussed in this section. The savings method allowed Ebbinghaus to measure memory after the passage of time which is important to see if the information is actually being learned. He would see if the information could be recalled after a period of time.
One thing I am not sure I liked in this chapter was the amount of time spent on Wundt. I felt that they could have summed up his works a little easier. They did however go in to a lot of good detail about his findings which was nice. I guess I just found some of the information about him boring and hard to follow.
The topic I would like to learn more about is mental chronometry. I thought this was interesting in the book and I would like to see what I can find out about it on the internet to add to what the book had to say.
Terms: Wundt, mental chronometry, personal equation, structuralism, Volkerpsychologie, experimental study of memory, Ebbinghaus, nonsense syllables, serial learning, and savings method.
What were three (3) things from the chapter that you found interesting? Why were they interesting to you? What one (1) thing did you find the least interesting? Why?
Something I found interesting, and I just happened to stumble onto it given that I normally don’t read the boxed in statements, but this one was titled, “key date 1879”, and within this area I read numerous things but the ones I enjoyed were that during the occurrence of Wundt’s laboratory experimental psychology in this time frame Thomas Edison also patented the electric light, London had its first telephone exchange, and the man who invented the first adhesive postage stamp died. I think this area just interested me because it put more things into perspective, I just bought a stamp and to think about how long it’s been since the actual stamp was invented was pretty cool to think about given it’s such a common thing today I always over look what it took to create something so simple.
Another thing I found interesting was Ebbinghaus and his nonsense syllables, it seems kind of boring and like a bunch of ‘nonsense’ at first but given the fact that he was the first person to document the relationship between learning information and the amount of effort to learn it. The section also says that he discovered it was easier to learn information over a period of time instead of cramming all the information in at one time; which I found to be funny because he figured this out in the 1800’s but yet most peoples studying habits consist of sitting down all night long trying to learn everything you should have learned over a given amount of days.
I found Wurzburgs’ study on imageless thoughts to be interesting in the fact that it was never resolved it still brought up the question that if a thought occurs without an image to have been looked at prior then we can’t conclude that our thinking about a given task can be reduced back to the elements. It didn’t really elaborate much more on the topic but it did say we’d cover more about it in the behaviorism chapters which I find to be interesting so hopefully it better explains the concept.
One thing I wasn’t too fond of reading in this chapter, all though I can see its importance, was the mathematical equations. I think they should have been included because it’s obviously important to what we’re reading about, but I personally have a bad habit of skipping over any numbers or a jumbled mess of numbers and letters which is usually an algebraic equation. Like the recalculation of Webers Law being S= k log R; like I just don’t get or really care about equations like that; I read what is original equation was and then they just go and change it up so why even bother.
What did you read in the chapter that you think will be most useful to in understanding the history of psychology?
When reading about two-point thresholds, visual after images, Webers Law, I began to realize that all the areas that we now understand today, and have been able to study and branch off of to come to other conclusions or questions; where all founded because of someone’s curiosity and observations. Sometimes I wonder what I’m missing out on today or other people because we have everything right in front of us, in my opinion people aren’t as observant today as they use to be. All these theories and or experiments we know about today started with a curious mind, it’s just weird to think about that with visual images we experience that all the time and no one really thinks twice about it because it just happens for some reason; what if all these people had thought that way and just brushed it off instead of asking why something happens. I think ultimetly this chapter helped me understand the history of psychology in the sense that yes it is complicated and confusing but maybe in some aspects it’s as simple as being more observant of your surroundings and asking yourself questions that are outside of the box.
Chapter building off of the previous chapters
Chapter 4 built off of the prior two chapters in the sense that chapters 2 and 3 focus on the context on how modern psychology emerged during the 19th century ( and other eras) and how physiologists and physicians tried furthering the understanding of physiology, the nervous system and the brain. Chapter 4 plays off of these subjects from the prior chapters in the way that it examines the experimental physiology combined with philosophical inquiry in order to create a new experimental psychology; this chapter is more about the ‘new psychology’. I also thought it was interesting to read about which people from the prior chapters and this chapter knew or went to school with each other. Examples being Muller and Wundt studying in Berlin together.
What topic would you like to learn more about? Why?
I would like to learn more about apperception and apprehended, I get what the book was trying to say on a basic level but I think doing more research on it would give me a better understand of exactly what is meant by the two terms.
What ideas did you have while reading the chapter?
One idea I had while reading about Ernst Weber and his two-point Threshold was that in my mind his discoveries are more scientific, but I can see how if he hadn’t thought of this two-point threshold, which are actually mental perceptions then someone might not have come along and looked at it in a psychological kind of way. Or perhaps the fact that our mental and physical events could be related mathematically, this reminds me of weight lifting and resistance bands; with weights for the most part you can tell a difference between a 5lb and a 35lb dumbbell but with a resistance band, unless you know what the colors mean; you can’t always tell the difference between certain bands; and until you realize that you have the highest resistance you were still able to do the that band. So what I was thinking her was sometimes do we psych ourselves out just because we mentally get scared because of the way something looks- obviously.
Once you are done with your post make list of the terms and terminology you used in your post.
Ernst Weber, Two-point threshold, experimental physiology, philosophical, new psychology, visual after images, Webers Law, apperception, apprehended, imageless thoughts, nonsense syllables,
The first thing I found interesting was Ernst Weber’s two –point thresholds. In order to test this, Weber would blindfolds a participant and then touch the skin with a device that resembled a drawing compass. Then the participant would be asked if the device had one point or two. The two-point threshold is “the point where the perception changes from feeling one point to feeling two.” (p.101) What the two point threshold is examining is where on the body can one be able to tell that the device is two pronged when the prongs are a short distance from each other. This interests me because it is something I would have never thought of. While reading the text, I kept thinking if I’ve ever been in a similar situation where I would feel what exactly is touching me. I have to assume that I have but I can’t think of any specific examples. And assuming that I have, I never have thought about why I could make out what I’m feeling. I found this most interesting because Weber took the time to examine tactile sensitivity.
I also really liked how the book pointed out differences between what you read about Wilhelm Wundt now and that you would have read about him 30 years ago. I like how it reiterated chapter one in saying that “histories are continually being rewritten. 30 years ago, you would have read that Wundt founded the first school of psychology called “structuralism”, that the school analyzed the mind into basic components, he wasn’t interested in cultural psychology and that his model of the mind was similar to that the of the British. Now you wouldn’t find this and if you do, the text will be pointing out that these statements are wrong. It just amazes me how we thought one thing a of a person and his work and found it to be later wrong.
One of the last things I found interesting was Wurzburg and his research on thinking. He found that determining tendency or mental set came from the preparation to function without instructions. Along with mental sets were Imageless thoughts. This was describes by lifting weights. They participants were to judge if the weights were that same or different and in doing so, came about imageless thought.
One thing I did not like about this chapter was the opening about Germany and their education. I found it to be boring and just dragged on. I understand why it was important to add to the text but I did not find it interesting.
As I said in the second thing that interested me, this chapter built on previous chapter by providing examples to how history is continuous. This chapter also followed the history of psychology and when it happened. It went into more details about why each person is important and how they contributed to psychology.
While reading this chapter, with all of the names I could pronounce, I really thought about how psychology was and will continue to be a national practice. I also couldn’t help but think how Wundt played a big part in this chapter and I think I am interested in learning more about him.
Terms: Wundt, Wurzburg, mental set, imageless thoughts, structuralism, Weber and two point threshold.
I enjoyed reading about James McKeen Cattell. It was interesting to see that he was not all that impressed with Wundt’s laboratory, which was probably the most prestigious laboratory in the world at that time. When I read about how he was unimpressed with Wundt, and also that he had worked with G. Stanley Hall, I began to think about how we view famous psychologists as well as any famous person of history. I started to think that these people were no more gifted or advanced than anyone else in history. Wundt and Hall were just like any other professor one could find at a university. This really got me thinking about how discoveries and research done by professors even here at UNI are not merely to pass time or to have fun, but to advance the field of psychology. I also thought about the fact that any one of my professors could make a discovery that would lead to his or her name being listed as one of the famous psychologists in a future edition of this book. I really started to see these individuals as human beings and less as simply historical figures
I also enjoyed the topic of Ernst Weber and the two-point thresholds. I think it was most interesting to me because Weber was not afraid to try something different than what everyone else was doing at the time. A lot of emphasis was put on visual and auditory sensation and not much on the other senses. Although I did find the idea of “sensory circles” to be very interesting, the main idea that I took away from this section was how if everyone simply followed everyone else’s ideas and interests how little the field of psychology would have progressed. Here, Weber experimented on something that had never been studied before and developed several theories that would develop into the field of kinesthesis.
The last thing that I found interesting was the section of key dates. It was a good section for me to read because dates and times hold little relevance for me. It was nice to be able to read about what was going on in the rest of the world and to be able to compare the developments in the world with the developments of psychology in Germany.
I did not like the section on mental chronometry. Although the concept of “reaction time” could was interesting at first, I began to zone out when equations get involved. It was not that I did not understand these simple equations, or that they were irrelevant. I just simply do not care for research or statistics at all. The minute I begin to read about them I tune out. I read the section and it made sense to me, I just realized that I did not care at all about the subject material. I felt like this information would not hold a lot of significance in anything important in the career direction that I am taking.
I think the whole chapter is important for understanding the history of psychology. This chapter changed the game. No longer was psychology a cluster of random questions and findings regarding philosophical questions or physical properties of the brain. It had developed into its own science, a new psychology. I also think that this is how this chapter built on the previous chapters. Experimental psychology was established because everything that had already happened in psychology had influenced and shaped the scientists in the field.
Terms: Two-point threshold, experimental psychology, New Psychology, Cattell, Wundt
Bre Gibbs
Chapter 4
One thing I thought was interesting in this chapter was Ernst Weber’s Two-Point Threshold. I remember doing this test in middle school. I think it’s interesting that different parts of the body can vary greatly on the distance between the points and the ability to distinguish whether it is one point or two. I also think it’s interesting how the human body can have a very small threshold in the finger tips but just up the arm can have a very high threshold. This test is done by taking two objects with a point and touching the skin. If something has a small threshold you can move the points very close together and still feel two points. If a body part has a high threshold you lose the feeling of two points and it feels like one point.
In the chapter, another concept I thought was interesting was Webers Law. While reading this I never thought about putting two objects in your palm while resting your hands on a flat surface, you can’t tell which object is heavier. Lifting or muscle movement is what gives a person the sensation to tell the difference between two objects to see which is heavier. This is another form of threshold. Weber called this “just noticeable difference” or jnd.
Another thing I thought was interesting was when Fehner continued on Webers threshold was that the difference between 30 and 33 grams can feel the same as the difference between 60 and 66 grams. I liked the example in the book where it talked about absolute threshold and difference threshold and how when you turn on a dimmer light that the absolute threshold is when you turn on a dimmer light and you see some light from being off. When the dimmer light is continually turned and the light is growing continually brighter this is called difference threshold.
One thing in the chapter I found the least interesting was in the section about mental chronometry. I didn’t like the all the abbreviations and all the DRT=SRT+ discrimination time and so on. This part of the chapter just got confusing and hard to read.
One thing in the chapter that I thought would be most interesting and useful in the history of psychology is the threshold theories. I remember learning about these in many of my classes that were not related to psychology and I think it is really useful that it can be related to many scientific fields besides just psychology.
One thing I think this chapter builds on from previous chapter is the theories and ideas from previous psychologist that are further studied by other psychologist. I think it is really neat how early psychologist come up with interesting theories on the way the body works but then they are later studied and we find out that crazy explanations for things like animal spirits are not that crazy after all. Psychologist just didn’t have the technology to further study their hypothesis.
One thing I would like to learn about is more theories and ideas like the Two point threshold and animal spirits in the previous chapter. I like learning about what psychologist thought about how that body worked and the mind worked before there was the technology to prove it.
Some thought I had while reading this chapter was the Two point threshold theory and how much fun I had doing it in 6th grade. We used tooth picks and tested it on all parts of out body besides our arms. We did out face, arms, legs, and feet. Another idea I had while reading this chapter is how relatable things in the book are to other classes I have had that were not relate to psychology. I think the book is getting better to read because things are becoming more relatable to things I have learned in other psychology classes.
Terms: Ernst Weber’s Two-Point Threshold, small threshold, high threshold, Webers Law, just noticeable difference, jnd, Fehner, absolute threshold, difference threshold, mental chronometry
It was very interesting reading this chapter because I found so many little tid bits really interesting. But they were all pretty small and not a whole lot of information on them within the book. This chapter seemed to have a good flow from topic to topic though, this is in comparison to the chapter about biology. It's really cool to look back on the things you have learned through other psychology classes, like the fact that Wundt is the "Father of Modern Psychology". I used to just take that as a fact and didn't think much else about it. But now after reading this chapter, I understand the he was very set on making psychology a comparable science by changing the way experiments were conducted. Instead of doing experiments in your head, or just one at a time, Wundt would set up experiments just like other sciences did.
I really liked Weber's law. I thought that the way that is was tested was genius and is totally relate-able by everyone. Some experiments done today are very specific and hard to relate to, but finding the threshold of change in weight is something that everyone can relate to. I thought that finding the JND (Just noticeable difference) was very clever and for it's time, revolutionary. I found this interesting and I would also so that this was the most important part of the chapter. This law helped lay the foundation of Wundt making psychology a testable science, and really just solidifying it in the scientific field.
With my previous paragraph being said, the second thing I found important was the conception of "New Psychology". This could also be the most important part of this chapter in relation to psychology. This declaration of psychology being a science has shaped my life. The experimental study of psychology is what most interests me and is what I am looking into for further education. This cementment of a science is why I am here at college. But back to what it was that Wundt actually came up with. The idea of "immediate" consciousness and "mediate" consciousness was really well explained in this book. I think it is important to recognize the difference between experiencing something, and then experiencing something through another thing.
One thing I didn't like about this chapter is that I had read it about a week ago and didn't remember a single thing to write about. So I had to reread the chapter. I guess it's nothing about the chapter, but nothing stood out so drastically that I just sat down and had a million things to write about.
I really just liked that this chapter showed the steps of how psychology became a science. I'm very glad that Psychology isn't on the same level as philosophy in the sense that psychology can be tested, and not just mentally debated.
Terms: Wundt, Immediate Consciousness, Mediate Consciousness, Experiments, Psychology, Modern Psychology, Weber's Law, Philosophy.
RB
As I read through chapter 4, one of the first topics that I found interesting also happened to be one of the first topics covered. That topic was that of Ernst Weber and his findings on the Two-Point Thresholds. To test skin sensitivity, he would use a tool similar to a two-point drawing compass, and would touch a blindfolded person at different parts on their body. Some parts of the body, such as the thumb, had a very low threshold. This means that the thumb was so sensitive, that it didn’t take much for the thumb to tell that there were two points touch at the same time. Other parts of the body such as the upper arm had a higher threshold, in that it took much space in between the two points in order for the subject to notice that there were two points of pressure instead of one.
Another part of this chapter that I found particularly intriguing was that of the contributions that William Wundt made to the field of psychology. His study of higher mental processes was of particular interest to me. He believed that mental processes like thinking, learning, language and the effects of culture were intertwined with a person’s history and social environment.
One of the things that was confusing to me and thus I did not like was that of Muller’s memory drum. I just couldn’t wrap my head around it. It was strange to me. That being said, since this topic was so confusing to me, I feel like I would like to learn more about it.
I felt that this chapter built on the last chapter in that the last chapter laid the foundation of this chapter by giving the background of the founder’s contribution to psychology. This chapter goes straight into the German’s contributions to psychology.
Terms: Ernst Weber, two-point threshold, William Wundt, psychology, mental processes, Muller, memory drum
One thing in this chapter that I found very interesting was Weber’s study of the two point threshold. This was a very simple experiment with complicated ideas and questions built up behind it. The two point threshold experiment was like the beginning of finding creative ways to measure mental events. I found his theory about sensory circles very interesting as well, and even though I know the nervous system is far more complicated than that, it seems rather believable. It is very interesting to think about which parts of the body would have a very low two point thresholds and evolutionarily or otherwise, why that might be.
I also found the letters from James McKeen Cattell to his parents from Wunt’s laboratory to be interesting. I have always wondered what it would be like to have been a young scientist pioneering a new field. He spoke of having to make and continually fix the apparatuses used in measuring for his experiments. It would be very difficult to not only carry on good research and come up with good research questions but also make up a new machine each time you needed to measure something different. Something like the tenth of a second it takes to make soft iron magnetic as opposed to it happening instantaneously seems so trivial to me, but it seems to have mattered a great deal to Cattell.
Imageless thought and conscious attitudes also caught my attention in this chapter. It is a very interesting idea and I find it hard to separate my thoughts from images and past events in my head. I am not sure I fully understand this concept, but I also believe that Marbe was right in saying you cannot fully break all thought processes down into elements. One can think about a decision or a judgment not accompanied by an image, but at least for me, it seems like there are always images of some sort in there. They may not be at all associated with the judgment being made, but I am always thinking of things.
I did not enjoy reading, in the beginning of the chapter, about the history of education in Germany. It was very long and dry, and while I understand now that a German university was the place to be if you really wanted to push your education at that point in history, the author could have presented the bulk of the information in one much shorter paragraph.
I think the two point threshold section in this chapter was most helpful for me in understanding the history of psychology. I believe this because this experiment is done here at UNI in the Anatomy and Physiology 2 lab. Having already done an experiment myself, learning about its origin and the context of the situation really helps me to understand why the experiment was done and helps to put me in the researcher’s shoes a little bit as opposed to looking at the situation like it is behind glass in a museum. I am a very hands on learner, so having experienced the experiment Weber was conducting helps to make it more real to me.
Some ideas I had while reading:
In going through the history of psychology, are we going to read about the Holocaust? Psychology was, as far as I have been told, largely affected by studies done on prisoners during this time in history, and even if this is not the case, it was such a large event in history, I cannot see how the field wouldn’t be affected.
In reading about Weber’s two point threshold, what would he have said about the possibility of hitting the edge of two sensory circles? If this is the case, would it not make it seem as though the threshold is very small when indeed it might not be? I wonder if this thought went through Weber’s mind.
I would like to read more about imageless thought, the studies done by Herman Ebbinghaus using nonsense syllables and serial learning, Muller’s expansion on this research, including the memory drum.
Terms: Weber, two point threshold, mental events, sensory circles, James McKeen Cattell, Wunt, Imageless thought, conscious attitudes, Karl Marbe
The most interesting part of the chapter was reading about Gustav Fechner and his ideas on the mind and the body, the text states that Fechner came to believe that an individual’s conscious would merge with those who had lived and die before in the universe. Fechner believed in the power of the mind to the point that it releases from the physical body (after the death of the physical body) and continues on in a physiological state of being. To me, this is like a religious awakening mixed with scientific undertones.
The second thing which I found to be intriguing about the chapter was in the Close Up of the Goodwin textbook A History of Modern Psychology (3rd Edition), which has excerpts of James McKeen Cattell’s letters to his parents. In the letter dated January 22, 1885, Cattell criticized Wilhelm Wundt’s research lab very harshly and even claimed that his work was superior to Wundt’s (although Cattell was studying under Wundt to get a Ph.D.). Cattell’s words seem pompous, conceited, and a reflection of his high perception and regard for himself. The letter was interesting to me because a lot of the studies done at Wundt’s lab were concerning the differences in perception of situations experienced by people. I wonder if Cattell felt any sense of pride for earning his Ph.D. under Wundt? If he did feel that sense of accomplishment, then that would have been incongruous considering the feelings he expressed about his Professor and the research lab.
The third part of the chapter which piqued my interest was only briefly discussed in this chapter; that was the concept of apperception and how the mind perceives that which we see directly versus the effects of what we see in the periphery of our minds. I compare that to the way I am concentrating on this blog while I am also aware that there are things happening outside my window or the fact that there are four walls around me separating me from the outside world. I am completely focused on the writing, but my mind is also processing all of this other information at the same time. The concept of apperception and association was later expanded upon by Dr. Emil Kraeplin, another student of Wundt, to formulate a basic conceptual description of schizophrenia.
The part of the chapter which I found least interesting was the reaction time data covering one of the complication experiments from Wundt’s laboratory. The data was the record of the reaction times which Gustav Berger and Cattell were (alternately) the experimenter and the subject (according to the letters Cattell wrote to his parents). I would like to have seen the results of experiments which used other subjects and not the students at the school, because I do not believe these privileged young geniuses reflect any general population (then or now).
The background of the research that Wundt initiated and performed at his school is very useful in understanding the basis of the direction which experimental psychology went. Some experiments may have been undertaken just in an attempt to prove the school wrong, so it could be said that those experiments were also inspired and led to research into other directions. I also believe that it is important to understand that the history is still being learned, and so what may have been accepted as “fact” today could be debunked tomorrow. That makes it important for me to keep an open mind about new ideas and concepts being discovered each day.
The previous chapter was more about physical reflexive actions, and this chapter took it to a more physiological approach into the workings of the mind. We can have physical reflexive actions, but how do brains perceive those sensations? The researchers in this chapter were more focused on the differing perceptions of the same sensations as experienced by different subjects.
Goodwin (2008) tells us that the story of Wundt has been misinterpreted or misrepresented. I would like to research Wundt a little more to see if he was more interested in social psychology than his contemporaries lead us to believe.
In the end I was drawn back to the beginning of the chapter, because I am very intrigued by Fechner’s ideas on the mind and what becomes of it after the death of the physical self. The idea that there is a collection of minds to which every mind connects after death is really quite interesting and I would like to read more of his ideas on that subject.
Terminology:
Gustav Fechner, James McKeen Cattell, incongruous, apperception, peripheral, association, schizophrenia, reaction time data, complication experiments, Gustav Berger, reflexive actions, sensations, collection of minds
The first thing I found interesting about this chapter was Ernst Weber's work on two-point thresholds. This was a technique used to measure tactile sensitivity, where a device with two points would touch a person's skin. The device would change the distance between the points and would also be used on different parts on the body. Ernst studied how far apart the points had to be before the person who was being touched would feel that they were two separate points. On the thumb, for example, the points did not need to be very far apart for them to be felt as two points. This is because that is an area of high sensitivity. On areas of lower sensitivity, such as the shoulder, it took a much larger distance for the person to feel the points as two instead of one.
Weber believed that the difference in feeling resulted from differing sizes of sensory circles. These were areas of the skin that used a shared nerve, branched out by fibers, to detect senses. If the two points on felt like one, that was because that area of skin all shared one nerve. If the point felt like two, then that area had several different nerves.
I think this research is interesting because we did this experiment when I was in school. We would have one person put two points of a compass on our skin and tell them when it felt like one and when it felt like two. I was reminded of this while reading this section. I think it is interesting that Weber discovered a way to actually measure the sensitivity of an area in a scientific way that can be replicated. Even though his theory about sensory circles was later proved wrong, this gave people a foundation to work off of and improve on. This piece of research generated more research that led to accepted theories.
Another section I found interesting was the part on the immediate conscious experience conducted by Wilhelm Wundt. By immediate, Wundt meant that the experience was achieved firsthand. You feel the snow on your face, you don't see on TV that it's snowing. Wundt wanted to study immediate conscious experiences in his lab. The problem with doing this is that, while you can feel the experience and remember it, it is hard to describe it to another person or compare two people's experiences. Wundt needed to use some sort of introspection, but he did not want to use self-observation. Self-Observation relies heavily on memories, which can be inaccurate. Internal perception was used instead. Internal perception is like self-observation, but you respond immediately to stimuli that are being controlled. Wundt and his researchers would observe the events and respond automatically and without biasing the results. This data could only be considered valid, however, if they could replicate the results. This meant that only certain experiences that were very specific could be measured.
This section was interesting to me because of the difficulties Wundt faced. These are difficulties that most psychologists face. You can't get inside a person's mind and see what they are thinking, you have to get them to tell you themselves. This can be hard because people may not be able to describe what they are experiencing or they may not want to tell you. With Wundt, the people were willing to share their experiences, it was just hard to define them and compare them to others. I also like that Wundt knew even then that memories were inaccurate sometimes and were not a reliable way of making observations and collecting data. Most people even today think that their memory is infallible and that everything they remember actually happened. I am taking Research Methods right now and we are discussing validity and how your experiment isn't valid if other people can't replicate it and achieve the same results, so that part stuck with me as well.
I was surprised to learn that there were many inaccuracies that circulated about Wilhelm Wundt. These were believed to be true even 30 or 40 years ago. These inaccuracies included that he founded the first school of psychology, that his goal was the analyze the mind into its elements, that cultural psychology was just his hobby, etc. These came about for several reasons. One is that, while Wundt wrote a lot of books, only some of them were published in English. This means that those of us who speak English do not have the whole picture. We see some parts of Wundt and what his ideas and beliefs were, but we are missing out on many others. Another reason is that a lot of the information we have on Wundt comes from E.G. Boring. Boring got most of his information from Titchener, who only worked with Wundt for two years. What Wundt believed in those two years might have been significantly different from what he believed when he started out and when he was older. We are only getting a small piece of a very large picture. Titchener also exaggerated portions of Wundt's work and ignored other areas.
This section surprised me, because we believe that what we read about history is accurate. We might think that it is slanted a little one way or another, based on the author's experiences or who it was written for, but we believe it is an accurate portrayal. To think that for 100 years or so we had inaccurate information about one of psychology's founders seems crazy to me. Especially since the information was gathered by Boring, who we consider to be a reliable and trustworthy person. Boring's source was Titchener, who we also expect to be someone we can count on for information. I think the main reason that we held these inaccuracies for so long was that the information we were given wasn't put into context for us. Titchener told Boring what Wundt believed or what he was like, but he didn't emphasize that this information was only based off a two year span during which they worked together. I think that if this had been put more clearly we might have taken the information with a grain of salt. I also think that most people didn't realize that Wundt had other works that just weren't printed in English. If you think you have all his works, than it is easier to make an assumption about a person than if you know that pieces are missing.
One thing that I was not very interested in with this chapter was the part on Fechner's Psychophysics. Fechner believed that sensations could be measured by assuming that jnd's (just noticeably differences) were subjectively equal in magnitude. This means that the weights of 30g and 33g are just noticeably different as are the weights of 60g and 66g. Because the weight is more in the second set the difference must be more as well before it is noticed. The absolute threshold is the point when the sensation is first noticed. The absolute threshold is where the scale would begin. Then it would increase until another difference is perceived. This is called the difference thresholds. This theory was challenged by his colleagues almost at once, and was found only to be true under specific circumstances.
I did not find this section to be very interesting because I don't feel like I have any use for this information. I don't need to know when I will feel a difference in weight, or how to classify when I feel different perceptions. I would rather focus on things that apply to me and that I can use in my life.
This chapter builds on the previous chapters in that it continues to talk about the scientific developments that are being made. In this chapter we left philosophy and transitioned into psychology. All the experiments in the chapter either happened as a result of this transition or helped to create a transition. Thinking about perception leads us to psychology rather than philosophy. We are, in this chapter, starting to think about the mind and what happens inside of it.
I would like to learn more about Fechner's life. He went blind after looking at the sun for to long for his experiments. This exacerbated an existing mental illness and caused him to go crazy, but he found a way back to sanity and was even able to teach again. I want to learn more about what happened to him and how he was able to regain his sanity.
While reading this chapter I thought about the things I'd learned previously in school. We have learned a lot about Wundt in intro to psych, so he was familiar to me. I also learned a lot about Weber in Sociology. I conducted the two-point experiment in science class before, so I thought about the memories I have of doing those experiments during that section.
Weber, Two-point thresholds, tactile sensitivity, sensory circles, Wundt, immediate conscious experience, introspection, self-observation, internal perception, Titchener, Boring, Fechner, psychophysics, jnd, absolute threshold, difference threshold
I thought Fechner was the most interesting person out of the chapter. He studied medicine, got an M.D., and did not practice. I also thought it was interesting that he knew four different languages. The thing that struck me the most, though, was that he lost most of his eyesight by doing experiments with visual afterimages. Most of this involved staring at the sun or bright light. I wonder if this is the reason our parents tell us, “Don’t stare at the sun, you’ll go blind.” He described his experience as “deadly boredom.” I would not have any idea what to do with myself if I went blind; I’m afraid I will someday because my eyesight has been poor since I was in the second grade. Anyway, the story gets happier as he had regained his eyesight, which I feel is remarkable. If it were possible to study the effects of losing eyesight by staring at the sun and then regaining eyesight ethically, I would like to see it done. He also provided an insight on the mind-body situation by publishing the Elements of Psychophysics, which described his “Day View.” There was also a footnote at the bottom of one of the pages with Fechner’s sections on it, telling the reader that if they were interested in impressing their professors, to send a “Happy Fechner Day” card on October 22 (maybe I’ll remember next semester).
This chapter also introduced a little more about the Wissenschaft, a specific philosophy of education that allowed professors to have academic freedom. This included freedom of researching whatever they felt without being judged by universities (or Churches). This took place mostly in Germany at Leipzig, and I feel that it was a great step for psychologists and scientists into the world of study. By allowing complete freedom, new ground-breaking discoveries occurred, theories developed, and psychologists could make names for themselves. I would like to learn more about those who studied under this philosophy and what discoveries were actually made due to such a freedom in education. I also wonder how many psychologists flocked to this area just to be able to experience this liberation in research.
A last thing I enjoyed reading was a gray section in the chapter on James McKeen Cattell, who was the first American student to earn a Ph.D. (Experimental Psychology) at Leipzig under Wundt. I liked it because it provided a firsthand account of what went on in the famous laboratory. Most of his research was on reaction time, which was one of the most popular study topics at the time. Apparently his parents did not believe he should be working so much, but we can be glad that he did. In his first couple of letters he seemed a bit defensive in a sense, and then by the last letter becomes a little cocky. I guess I would feel high and mighty too if I discovered something that no one else had before, which would be pretty cool. I am still wondering how we obtained these letters throughout the course of history…
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